Is there one that works for that?

(not talking about paranoic don't take this shot or that shot)

is there a ready made vaccine for the swine flu?

How swine flu spreads in humans Los Angeles Times -

A new strain of influenza is infecting people in Mexico and the United States and may have killed up to 60 people in Mexico, global health officials said today.

Video: AustinHealth: Swine flu KXAN.com
Mexico Shuts Some Schools Amid Deadly Flu Outbreak New York Times

Obama kept up-to-date on swine flu The Associated Press - WASHINGTON (AP) —
The White House says President Barack Obama is being updated on the swine flu outbreak in Mexico. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Friday the Homeland Security Council is monitoring the situation, along with the State ...

New case of swine flu in United States AFP - WASHINGTON (AFP) —
US health officials have diagnosed another case of human swine flu in the United States, bringing the number of people who contracted the illness to eight, the head of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said Friday

Mexico flu deaths raise worries of global epidemic The Associated Press - MEXICO CITY (AP) —
At least 16 people — and possibly dozens more — have died from a swine flu virus in Mexico, and world health officials worry it could unleash a global flu epidemic. Mexico City closed schools across the metropolis Friday in hopes of ...

Is HPV Vaccine to Blame for a Teen's Paralysis? - Jul 2, 2008
U.S. News & World Report,Higher rates of Guillain-Barré have been associated with the swine flu vaccine and possibly with the meningitis vaccine Menactra, but it is no more common

Fighting the Autism-Vaccine War - Apr 10, 2008
U.S. News & World Report,Several hundred cases of the paralytic illness Guillain-Barré after the swine flu vaccine were blamed on the government and gave Gerald Ford heartburn—but

• Bird Flu and Swine Flu Outbreaks: The Health Risks of Hysteria ... Apr 23, 2009 ... U.S. officials ordered the manufacture of swine flu virus vaccine and the country proceeded to launch a mass immunization program that saw ...
  
  blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/04/23/bi..

I knew those FEMA camps were going to turn out to be good for something.

• Swine Flu FAQ - Medical and Health Information on the Common ... Apr 23, 2009 ... I Got a Flu Shot. Am I Protected Against Swine Flu? No. There is no swine flu vaccine. It's possible that the seasonal flu vaccine might ...
  
  www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlek..

WHO ready with antivirals to combat swine flu


WHO ready with rapid containment measures including drugs * Says health authorities in 2 countries are well equipped

* Sees no need to issue travel advisories at this point

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Friday that it was prepared with rapid containment measures including antivirals if needed to combat the swine flu outbreaks in Mexico and the United States.

The Geneva-based agency has been stockpiling doses of Roche AG's Tamiflu, known generically as oseltamivir, a pill that can both treat flu and prevent infection.

But health authorities in the two North American countries have the resources required already in place, including Tamiflu, and are "well equipped," according to the WHO.

"WHO is prepared with rapid containment measures should it be necessary to be deployed," WHO spokeswoman Aphaluck Bhatiasevi told Reuters.

The United Nations agency saw no need at this point to issue travel advisories warning travelers not to go to parts of Mexico or the United States. "However, the situation may change depending on what the situation in the field is," Bhatiasevi said.

The WHO will convene a meeting of its Emergency Committee on international health regulations, probably on Saturday afternoon, she added.

WHO director-general Margaret Chan was flying back to Geneva overnight from Washington, D.C., for the emergency discussions which would link public health authorities and experts in various parts of world in a virtual meeting, she said.

The emergency committee could make recommendations including whether to change the pandemic alert level, but it would be up to Chan and the WHO whether to do so, she added.

Suspicions that the fatal outbreaks of flu in Mexico were not of the normal seasonal influenza arose because most cases were in healthy young adults, WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said.

"Because these cases are not happening in the very old or the very young, which is normal with seasonal influenza, this is an unusual event and a cause for heightened concern," Hartl said in an interview with Canadian broadcaster CBC.

(Reporting by Stephanie Nebehay; Editing by Jonathan Lynn)

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/...=22&sp=true

CDC says too late to contain U.S. flu outbreak 24 Apr 2009 19:31:20 GMT Source: Reuters WASHINGTON, April 24 (Reuters) -

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday it was too late to contain the swine flu outbreak in the United States. CDC acting director Dr. Richard Besser told reporters in a telephone briefing it was likely too late to try to contain the outbreak, by vaccinating, treating or isolating people. "There are things that we see that suggest that containment is not very likely," he said. He said the U.S. cases and Mexican cases are likely the same virus. "So far the genetic elements that we have looked at are the same." But Besser said it was unclear why the virus was causing so many deaths in deaths in Mexico and such mild disease in the United States. (Reporting by Maggie Fox, editing by Patricia Zengerle)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/24443479.htm

U.S. health officials said it's not yet a reason for alarm in the United States. The five in California and two in Texas have all recovered, and testing indicates some common antiviral medications seem to work against the virus. Schuchat of the CDC said officials believe the new strain can spread human-to-human, which is unusual for a swine flu virus. The CDC is checking people who have been in contact with the seven confirmed U.S. cases, who all became ill between late March and mid-April.

The U.S. cases are a growing medical mystery because it's unclear how they caught the virus. The CDC said none of the seven people were in contact with pigs, which is how people usually catch swine flu. And only a few were in contact with each other.

CDC officials described the virus as having a unique combination of gene segments not seen in people or pigs before. The bug contains human virus, avian virus from North America and pig viruses from North America, Europe and Asia.

Health officials have seen mixes of bird, pig and human virus before, but never such an intercontinental combination with more than one pig virus in the mix.

Scientists keep a close eye on flu viruses that emerge from pigs. The animals are considered particularly susceptible to both avian and human viruses and a likely place where the kind of genetic reassortment can take place that might lead to a new form of pandemic flu, said Dr. John Treanor, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Rochester Medical Center.

The virus may be something completely new, or it may have been around for a while but was only detected now because of improved lab testing and disease surveillance, CDC officials said.

The virus was first detected in two children in southern California — a 10-year-old boy in San Diego County and a 9-year-old girl in neighboring Imperial County.

It's not known if the seasonal flu vaccine Americans got this winter protects against this type of virus. People should wash their hands and take other precautions, CDC officials said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090424/ap_on_...e/med_swine_flu

"it was unclear why the virus was causing so many deaths in deaths in Mexico
and such mild disease in the United States..."

On page 72 of the document Rebuilding America’s Defenses published by the PNAC is the following sentiment:

“And advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."

so there is a vaccine that will work

"De-population should be the highest priority of US foreign policy
towards the Third World."

Henry Kissinger, National Security Memorandum 200

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It was due to his close family connection with the Rockefeller family that Kissinger was appointed National Security Adviser in the Nixon administration in 1971. According to US News & World Report the appointment "was on the advice of Governor Rockerfeller, who described Mr. Kissinger as 'the smartest guy available.'"

During 1970, the US Department of Defence applied to the US Senate appropriations committee for funding to research and develop a biological weapon that would attack the human immune system. The request was for the development of "synthetic biological agents." In giving testimony to the Senate committee, Dr. Donald MacArthur, a US Army biological warfare expert, stated: "Within the next 5 to 10 years, it would probably be possible to make a new infective micro-organism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms." Dr. MacArthur then added "Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious diseases." He concluded that a feasibility research programme to this end "could be completed in approximately 5 years at a cost of $10 million." The requested sum was granted….

The future of biological weapons occupies the minds of military strategists.

In a paper entitled "Twenty-First Century Germ Warfare" by USAF Lt. Colonel Robert P Kadlec
[ http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchro...attle/chp9.html now no longer available but referenced in dozens of places -- go ahead, google it up], the author has this warning "Using biological weapons under the cover of an endemic or natural disease occurrence provides an attacker the potential for plausible denial."

David Guyatt

while people have been worried about an avian flu

guess the old adage

when pigs fly is coming home to roost

I would start investigating all those that have wanted to arrest all the kind gentle souls

this might be a sort of rightwing or anti-Mexican friendly flag

like the two scumbags that shot an innocent son of God in the back and were jailed (too bad Bushie let them out)

wouldn't surprise me if they were behind this

This guy is totally legitimate, Professor Chris Rapley, director of the Science Museum.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle5950442.ece

This planet ain't big enough for the 6,500,000,000

Behind the climate crisis lies a global issue that no one wants to tackle: do we need radical plans to reduce the world's population? Chris Rapley sparks the debate

Wednesday, 27 June 2007

What do the following have in common: the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, Earth's average temperature and the size of the human population? Answer: each was, for a long period of Earth's history, held in a state of equilibrium. Whether it's the burning of fossil fuels versus the rate at which plants absorb carbon, or the heat absorbed from sunshine versus the heat reflected back into space, or global birth rates versus death rates - each is governed by the difference between an inflow and an outflow, and even small imbalances can have large effects. At present, all of these three are out of balance as a result of human actions. And each of these imbalances is creating a major problem.

Second question: how do these three differ? Answer: human carbon emissions and climate change are big issues at the top of the news agenda. And rightly so, since they pose a substantial threat. But population growth is almost entirely ignored. Which is odd, since it is at the root of the environmental crisis, and it represents a danger to health and socioeconomic development.

The statistics are quite remarkable. For most of the two million years of human history, the population was less than a quarter of a million. The advent of agriculture led to a sustained increase, but it took thousands of years, until 1800, before the planet was host to a billion humans. Since then growth has accelerated - we hit 2 billion in 1930, 3 billion in 1960, 4 billion in 1975, 5 billion in 1987 and 6 billion in 1999. Today's grand total is estimated to be 6.5 billion, with a growth rate of 80 million each year.

To what can we attribute such a dramatic rise? Impressive increases in the food supply have played a part, but the underlying driver has been the shift from an "organic" society, in which energy was drawn from the wind, water, beasts of burden (including humans) and wood, to a fossil fuel-based world in which most of our energy is obtained by burning coal, oil and gas. This transition has fuelled the changes in quality of life associated with modern technology, especially the major advances in hygiene and medicine. Although unevenly distributed, these bounties have seen life expectancy double and a corresponding reduction in mortality rates.

But success in reducing mortality has not been matched by a lowering of the birth rate - and this has resulted in the dramatic increase in the human stock. As noted by Malthus, who at the end of the 18th century was the first to foresee the problems of population growth, such growth can accelerate rapidly since every individual has the capacity to produce many offspring, each of whom can in turn produce many more, and the process will only cease when something happens to bring birth rate and death rate once more into balance.

In fact, the overall growth rate of the world's population hit a peak of about 2 per cent per year in the late Sixties and has since fallen to 1.3 per cent. Although the timing and magnitude of the changes have been different in different parts of the world, the pattern has followed the so-called "demographic transition". Initially both mortality and birth rates are high, with the population stable. As living standards rise and health conditions improve, the mortality rate decreases. The resulting difference between the numbers of births and deaths causes the population to increase. Eventually, the birth rate decreases until a new balance is achieved and the population again stabilises, but at a new and higher level.

Demographers offer two possible explanations for the decline in birth rate, suggesting that it is an inherent tendency of societies to find an equilibrium between births and deaths, with the lag simply being the time taken for the change in mortality rate to be recognised. Alternatively, it is attributed to the same general driving forces that caused the decline in mortality, such as improvements in medical practice and technology, in this case birth control.

So where do we stand today? Worldwide, the birth rate is about six per second, and the death rate stands at three per second. UN figures foresee numbers levelling out at a point when we have between 8 and 10 billion humans by 2050 - that's roughly a 50 per cent increase on today's figure.

This is not comforting news. Even at current levels, the World Health Organisation reports that more than three billion people are malnourished. And although food availability continues to grow, per capita grain availability has been declining since the Eighties. Technology may continue to push back the limits, but 50 per cent of plants and animals are already harvested for our use, creating a huge impact on our partner species and the world's ecosystems. And it is the airborne waste from our energy production that is driving climate change.

Yet, even at a geo-political level, population control is rarely discussed. Today, however, marks the publication of a new report on population by the United Nations Environment Programme. Perhaps this could be the spur we need.

If debate is started, some will say that we need to stop the world's population booming, and to do so most urgently where the birth rates are highest - the developing world. Others may argue that it is in the developed world, where the impact of individuals is highest, that we should concentrate efforts. A third view is to ignore population and to focus on human consumption.

Programmes that seek actively to reduce birth rates find that three conditions must be met. First, birth control must be within the scope of conscious choice. Second, there must be real advantages to having a smaller family - if no provision is made for peoples' old age, the incentive is to have more children. Third, the means of control must be available - but also to be socially acceptable, and combined with education and emancipation of girls and women.

The human multitude has become a force at the planetary scale. Collectively, our exploitation of the world's resources has already reached a level that, according to the World Wildlife Fund, could only be sustained on a planet 25 per cent larger than our own.

Confronted with this state of affairs, there is much discussion about how to respond to human impacts on the planet and especially on how to reduce human carbon emissions. Various technical fixes and changes in behaviour are proposed, the former generally having price tags of order trillions of dollars. Spread over several decades, these are arguably affordable, and to be preferred to the environmental damage and economic collapse which may otherwise occur.

But by avoiding a fraction of the projected population increase, the emissions savings could be significant and would be at a cost, based on UN experience of reproductive health programmes, that would be as little as one-thousandth of the technological fixes. The reality is that while the footprint of each individual cannot be reduced to zero, the absence of an individual does do so.

Although I'm now the director of the British Antarctic Survey, I was previously executive director of the International Geosphere-Biosphere programme, looking at the chemistry and biology of how Earth works as a system. About 18 months ago, I wrote an article for the BBC Green Room website in which I raised the issues: "So if we believe that the size of the human footprint is a serious problem (and there is much evidence for this) then a rational view would be that along with a raft of measures to reduce the footprint per person, the issue of population management must be addressed.

"In practice, of course, it is a bombshell of a topic, with profound and emotive issues of ethics, morality, equity and practicability. So controversial is the subject, that it has become the Cinderella of the great sustainability debate - rarely visible in public, or even in private. In interdisciplinary meetings addressing how the planet functions as an integrated whole, demographers and population specialists are usually notable by their absence. Rare, indeed, are the opportunities for religious leaders, philosophers, moralists, policy-makers, politicians and the global public to debate the trajectory of the world's human population in the context of its stress on the Earth system, and to decide what might be done."

The response from around the world was strong and positive - along the lines of "at last, this issue has been raised". But after that initial burst of enthusiasm, I find that little has changed. This is a pity, since as time passes, so our ability to leave the world in a better state is reduced. Today's report from the UN provides an opportunity to raise the debate once again. For the sake of future generations, I hope that others will this time take up the challenge.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/c...000-454859.html

Mag, as of 2008:

Employee Kadlec, Robert P
Salary $130,500
Position: Special Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Senior Director for Bio Defense Policy

would you feel the same if it were Jews targetted instead of Mexicans?

I'm not sure to whom Graham's question is targeted. but I'll point out that "the population bomb" has been discussed for over four decades since Paul Ehrlich published his book of that name, and the issue of genetic/biowarfare has been around for much, much longer. Without parading out the whole sordid history (available at your fingertips through Goggle), it isn't necessarily about finding a population target, though lebensraum was not Hitler's idea, and its original target wasn't Jews. Genghis Khan was active. Notably, in our tidy little history, there is an inn, a college, and a town named after Lord Jeffrey Amherst who infested the blankets he gave to native Americans with smallpox, thus accelerating our Manifest Destiny and eliminating the need for black powder and lead ball. We learned what we know from the Japanese and the Germans after World War II, and then we enhanced that with further research, today taking place in BioIV Labs around the country, the first one having been so dangerous that it was stuck out on an island off the coast of an island. Stephen King wrote a piece of fiction about the survivability culture in "The Stand", and I'm sure there are at least a dozen other movies someone could name. The Russians have done a huge amount of work in the field, culminating (?) in an accidental release that got covered up and resulting, in the end, with the transformation of one of its primary scientist/managers into a modern-day Werhner von Braun who is now nicely ensconced in a huge company right here in the States. There is perhaps a connection with 9/11 but I don't want to get too controversial here (it does all remain safely tucked into that large brown envelope called plausible deniability) but someone sent some powdered stuff around inside the Beltway just about that time, just about the time someone wanted some legislation passed without much attaention to its detail. Like the issues of torture et al ad nauseum, it all remains swept under the carpet along with the fleas, the dirt, the dust, the mites and more. God bless us all, Tiny Tim.

my original question wanted to know if there is a vaccine for us to take for this already-
but anyhow-

the following is an interesting comment on rawstory article that makes sense to me-the following is ALL in that comment

somebody notes something "interesting" and sinister which makes sense-

I will post it as the comment said, don't know the validity-

Please note the comment below, from the URL cited thereafter.

"The virus is an influenza A virus, carrying the designation H1N1. It contains DNA from avian, swine and human viruses, including elements from European and Asian swine viruses, the CDC has said."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/...desk/ N2452403...

Hmmmm. Quite an interesting mix. Asian pigs. European pigs. Birds. Humans

No. This was not genetically engineered. Clearly not.
Of course all virologists will tell you that this virus started off in extremely lethal fashion. Such viruses tend to blow themselves out and kill themselves off, accompanied by a failure to mutate.

Since this virus started off with a very high lethality, any epidemiologist would agree that it had relatively little time to mutate.

Which makes this whole hybrid of Asian pigs with European pigs with birds with humans quite fascinating.

Engineered? Of course not.

At least not by a true professional, who would have engineered something with lower lethality and the higher correlation with pandemic potential.
Matt Dubuque | Homepage | 04.24.09 - 7:58 pm
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25 to 49 was the #1 age group who died from AIDS in the first go round too btw

and some say that was also manmade
(and coincidentally enough got rid of an entire generation of democrats at just the same time a new term came into fascistion- reagan republicans
mind blowing isn't it

This is why I say that the Pope is responsibile for more negative consequencies than any one human being...

When I said that the information was available at your fingertips, it was actually even closer than you think. On May of 2006, I wrote a three-part series Bird Flu as a Weapon? which included excerpts from A Short Hisory of Bio-Warfare and ranged across such subjects as the infamous Japanese Unit 731, Fort Detrick, Maryland, and the Cuban Watergate burglars and Legionnaire’s Disease. It specifically noted the custom tailoring of a flu virus, taking genes from a virulent but not highly transmissible strain, for instance, and melding them with genes from a virus that transmits well from person to person.

It noted the publication of Recent Human Outbreaks of Avian Influenza and Potential Biological Warfare Implications was prepared by the J2 Directorate of Strategic Intelligence, a secretive branch of National Defence charged with producing intelligence for the government, the Canadian military's intelligence arm.

It noted the interactions between Francis Boyle and Judith Miller… (remember Judith Miller at the New York Times?), and noted the fact that Rudolph Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in World Trade Center 7 was built by a bio-warfare expert named Jerome Hauer, also a project advisor to “A Journalist’s Guide to Covering Bioterrorism” (second edition)(2004), Radio & Television News Directors Foundation, Funded by the Carnegie Corp.

It reviewed the US history of “the mock scenarios played out in urban areas: light bulbs filled with simulated BW agents being dropped in New York subways, men in Washington National Airport spraying pseudo-BW from briefcases, and similar tests in California and Texas and over the Florida Keys”

It noted the now-infamous Tuskegee Experiment, the mysterious deaths of renowned microbiologists, and the court case United States v. Stanley, 483 U.S. 669, whose decision clearing the U.S. military from any liability in past, present or future medical experiments without informed consent was written by Antonin Scalia.

It noted the 1990 case in which the CDC and Kaiser Pharmaceuticals of Southern California inject 1,500 six-month-old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles with an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States, and recalled that children involved in the New York City foster care system were unwitting human subjects in experimental AIDS drug trials.

It told the tale of how the EPA, in exchange for receiving $2 million from the American Chemical Society, proposed the Children's Health Environmental Exposure Research Study (CHEERS) to learn how children ranging from infancy to three years old ingest, inhale and absorb chemicals by exposing children from a poor, predominantly black area of Duval County, Fla., to these toxins. Due to pressure from activist groups, negative media coverage and two Democratic senators, the EPA eventually decides to drop the study on Apr. 8, 2005.

Some other excerpts (sources noted and linked at the original):

“A gun or a bomb leaves no doubt that a deliberate attack has occurred. But if someone is stricken with a sudden, fatal illness -- or if an epidemic slashes across a crowded city -- there is no way of knowing whether anyone attacked, much less who. That was the key conclusion of the Pentagon's Committee on Biological Warfare in a secret October 1948 report on covert biowarfare….

Although it emphasized the threat to America, the report called for offensive capability. "Biological agents would appear to be well adapted to subversive use since very small amounts of such agents can be effective," the report said. "A significant portion of the human population within selected target areas may be killed or incapacitated."

Setting an imaginative tone for what would follow, the report listed potential targets: "ventilating systems, subway systems, water supply systems ... stamps, envelopes, money, biologicals and cosmetics ... contamination of food and beverages." …

Understanding U.S. vulnerability may have been the main purpose of such experiments. But defensive findings had offensive implications. If the subway tests could be explained as defensive, there was no such ambiguity in the SO Division's development of covert biological weapons.

Declassified invoices from the CIA give some sense of the tools developed at Fort Detrick:

a 7.62 mm rifle cartridge packed with anthrax or botulinum toxin that would disperse in the air on impact; a time-delay bomblet that would release a cloud of bacteria when a train or truck convoy passed; and a pressurized can that sprayed an aerosol of germs. The fifth is described in unclassified documents only as an "E-41 disseminator."

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“Memorandum 200”: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests, the previously noted Ford/Kissinger plan for population control of under-developed countries, was linked out as follows:

http://www.population-security.org/28-APP2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Secu..._Memorandum_200


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Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, called for: ". . . the elimination of 'human weeds,' for the 'cessation of charity,' for the segregation of 'morons, misfits, and the maladjusted,' and for the sterilization of 'genetically inferior races.'"

She stated: "The mass of Negroes . . . particularly in the South, still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes, even more than among Whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit."

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Increasingly, biodefense research aimed at genetically altering microbes to increase their pathogenicity, virulence, persistence, or transmissibility is portrayed as normal. A National Academy of Sciences report, Biotechnology Research in an Age of Terrorism, described such work as "areas of concern"--but only because, if known, it might give terrorists similar ideas. NBACC Deputy Director Lt. Col. George Korch revealed that NBACC intends to pursue a range of topics including "aerosol dynamics," "novel packaging," "novel delivery of threat," "genetic engineering," "bioregulators/ immunomodulators," "genomics and proteomics," and "red teaming."

U.S. legislators learned in 1999 the little reported fact that Gulf War troops, as many as 200,000, were unwittingly used in AIDS vaccine experiments wherein portions of the AIDS virus, HIV, were recombined with a pathogenic mycoplasma, isolated, tested, and then patented by Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology for the American Registry of Pathology in Washington, D.C.”

"pathogenic mycoplasma”…. It is flu-like. It is pathognomonic of, not a bacterial or viral infection, it is pathognomonic of a fungus or a fungus related to a flu. And that's exactly what has been developed and patented by the Armed Forces Research Institute of Pathology.

Mycoplasma is not really a fungus, it's not really a bacteria, it's not really a virus. It's sort of like a pseudo all of them. It has no cell wall, it goes deep into the cell nuclei thereby making it very difficult to mount an immune response against. And it’s man-made…”

“The spread of human, animal or crop disease can be made to look like an "act of God" with no one able to trace the perpetrator(s)… ”

“In the 1980s, South Africa's apartheid regime ran a biological weapons program called "Project Coast". According to an April 2001 U.S. Air Force Report one of the program's goals was to develop a "black bomb" via genetic engineering research. The "black bomb" would weaken or kill blacks but not whites. In addition to the "black bomb," Project Coast planned to build a large-scale anthrax production facility to produce anthrax for use against black guerrilla fighters inside or outside of South Africa, and to develop a drug that would induce infertility and could be given surreptitiously to blacks, perhaps under the pretext of a vaccine. None of these goals were achieved. However, in one of the appendices to the USAF report, the authors asked, "In its genetic engineering experiments, how close was South Africa to a "black bomb"? Are other countries developing similar biological weapons?"

“On November 15, 1998, the Sunday Times of London ran a front page article reporting that the Israelis were planning an ethnic bomb. The article stated that the Israelis were trying to identify distinctive genes carried by some Arabs, particularly Iraqis.” .

“In light of the Israeli research into the genetic differences between Arabs and Jews, who share Semitic origin, and in light of the overwhelming evidence that the United States Government had foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks and allowed them to occur, resulting in the deaths of thousands of U.S. citizens, no one should assume that any weapon, genetic or not, would not be developed because some of the developer's people might suffer the same fate as the targeted "enemy."


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“The entire process can also be turned around to develop a pathogen that will affect a broad class of people sharing a genetic marker. A broad class of people sharing a genetic marker could be a group such as a race, or people with brown eyes.”

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The book Biowarfare and Terrorism outlines how and why the United States government initiated, sustained and then dramatically expanded an illegal biological arms buildup. Written by US expert Francis Boyle, it reveals how the new billion-dollar U.S. Chemical and Biological Defense Program has been reorientated to accord with the Neo-Conservative pre-emptive strike agenda—this time by biological and chemical warfare.


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“The Bush administration contends that science-based threat assessment is needed to shorten the time between the discovery of new bioterrorist threats, such as pathogens engineered to be resistant to multiple antibiotics, and the development of medical countermeasures, such as vaccines and therapeutic drugs. This rationale is flawed, however, for three reasons.

First, the administration’s biodefense research agenda credits terrorists with having cutting-edge technological capabilities that they do not currently possess nor are likely to acquire anytime soon….

Second, prospective threat-assessment studies involving the creation of hypothetical pathogens are of limited value….

Third, by blurring the already hazy line between offensive and defensive biological R&D, science-based threat assessment raises suspicions about U.S. compliance with the BWC and fosters a “biological security dilemma” that could lead to a new biological arms race. At the same time, the novel pathogens and related know-how generated by threat-assessment work could be stolen or diverted for malicious purposes, exacerbating the threat of bioterrorism.”

Biological Threat Assessment: Is the Cure Worse Than the Disease?
by Jonathan Tucker, Arms Control Association, October 2004

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_10/Tucker.asp

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Remember Jerome Hauer and the OEM bunker at WTC7?

The White House staff was given Cipro on 9/11. The FEMA drill scheduled for NYC on September 10th, 2001 was a bio-terror drill…. a “TRIPOD” drill… Trial Point of Distribution.

The State Department defines terrorism as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.”

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Was this old Internet posting true?

“In 2000, Rumsfeld was also serving on the board of Gilead and quit this position just prior to being appointed Secretary of Defense, in 2001 when he began work under GW Bush Jr. in his administration. However, Rumsfeld still holds the majority of shares of Gilead as of March 2006, and Donald Rumsfeld, since being Chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences - who is the developer of Tamiflu, which is used in the treatment of bird flu - several news sources including USA Today, and CNN have published stories implying that Donald Rumsfeld profits from and and all sales of Tamiflu to the US government while he is presently in office.”

“In 1976, a military recruit in New Jersey died from a flu that experts speculated might be the "swine flu". At Rumsfeld's urging, the Ford administration quickly produced and distributed large number of doses of the vaccine. However, some batches were contaminated and 52 people died while 600 fell ill. The program was stopped and nobody got swine flu.”

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The three-part series noted at the top also recalled the Los Alamos computer simulations of pandemic, a Department of Homeland Security project, as well as the rampant spraying of herbicides in Ecuador by DynCorp, whose CEO was also the Chairman of the Enron Finance Committee. DynCorp handled data processing for many federal agencies, including the CDC, the Department of Agriculture, several branches of the Department of Justice, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the NIH [and had PROmis software]; its subsidiary, DynPort Vaccine, had been awarded a $322 million contract to develop, produce, test, and store FDA licensed vaccines for use by the Defense Department….

Remember when George Bush asked that he be allowed to mobilize the military in response to an outbreak of a flu pandemic?


Ken Alibek [Kanatjan Alibekov, the no. 2 man in the former Soviet Union biowarfare program who defected to the US in 1992] is President of Hadron Advanced Biosystems, a subsidiary of Alexandria, Va.-based Hadron, Inc. Hadron describes itself as a company specializing in the development of technical solutions for the intelligence community. As chief scientist at Hadron, Alibek gave extensive testimony to the House Armed Services Committee about biological weapons on Oct. 20, 1999, and again on May 23, 2000. Hadron announced on Dec. 20 that as of that date, the company had received $12 million in funding for medical biodefense research from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the US Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, and the NIH. Hadron said it was working in the field of non-specific immunity.

In the 1980s Hadron was founded and headed by Dr. Earl Brian, a medical doctor and crony of Ronald Reagan and an associate of former Attorney General Edwin Meese. Brian was convicted in the 1980s on fraud charges. Both Hadron and Brian have been closely associated in court documents and numerous credible reports, confirmed since Sept. 11, with the theft of enhanced PROMIS software from its owner, the INSLAW Corporation. PROMIS is a highly sophisticated computer program capable of integrating a wide variety of databases. [PROmis, as noted elsewhere, is a “main core” of the old, revitalized continuity of government program that tracks those people who might need to be considered as domestic terrorists, rounded up, or otherwise neutralized.]


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“Would I be like Anne Frank's father, who told his family that things were OK and that people were basically good—while they were living their last days? They never fought Nazism, but just watched it all go by and hid in the attic until their time came around to be taken away.”

All of this is interesting, alarming, and grim. But there is nothing new under the sun. I could cite historical references to the many plagues and other "population reducing" episodes during mankind's history from extreme antiquity starting with "The Flood," and working up through the Black Plagues and into modern times but my source though historically accurate has a premise even more disturbing and controversial than what is being suggested here, so I will demure except to say that it seems possible that mankind has been subjected to something many times throughout our existence. Or are these die offs (particularly biological in nature) just due to some "natural" cyclic exposure to "naturally" mutating disease organisms.

I do not know what "The Truth" is about these things. Certainly some "people" seem to be capable of contemplating and even doing anything, no matter how horrific.

One strange thought though; While it is estimated that half or more of the population of Europe died during the Plague cycles of the Middle Ages, recent genetic studies by a certain researcher (whose name I forget) have found that those who got the Plague and survived had a particular genetic mutation from one parent and that those who were exposed but did not get the Plague at all had the same mutated gene but from both parents. The high die off created a vast increase in these genetic survivors that exist today. I saw a program about a year or so ago that followed the genetic story of a young man in San Francisco who was exposed to the Aids virus along with many others in the Gay Community he was a part of. All his lovers and friends died around him, only he among them survived even though he'd been exposed many times. This made him wind up in contact with THE researcher (mentioned above) and the result of tests isolated the two pairs of mutant genes he'd inherited from his European Ancestors. Samples of his blood were exposed to 1000 times the Aids dose needed to be infected. No infection! According to the researcher these genes he inherited were the same ones that prevented his ancestors from getting the Black Plague centuries ago. Apparently it prevented his getting Aids today no matter how many times he was exposed.

As fascinating as this story was I could not help but contemplate the frightening thought that IF I were to view mankind from some cold alien or "cosmic" or just a depraved criminal perspective, do I see some sort of deliberate "improving" of the genetic line of mankind... or as from my human perspective, some monstrous evil?

Just some frightening thoughts.

The USA during the Ford administration had a similarly perceived threat and after spending 135 million it was discovered that the vaccine developed was probably more dangerous than the probability of getting the swine flu. I imagine this must seem ancient history to all you younguns on here.....LOL.......long way back......like 1976.


http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3468302819.html


lenal

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/2...ses:-KS-and-NYC

UPDATE: More Swine Flu Cases: KS and NYC
by DemFromCT
Share this on Twitter - UPDATE: More Swine Flu Cases: KS and NYC Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 02:02:04 PM PDT
More late-breaking info.

WASHINGTON, April 25 (Reuters) - Kansas state health officials have
confirmed two cases of swine flu, just minutes after New York health
officials said they had eight probable cases, CNN reported on Saturday.

Health officials across the United States are testing for the new and
unusual strain of H1N1 swine flu that is suspected of killing 68 people in
Mexico and that has caused mild illness in at least eight people in the
United States. Meanwhile, NYC private school kids had the NYC Health department run tests on an influenza-like illness, and eight speciments showed up as Influenza A, non-typable. This may well mean swine flu (other kinds of flu could have been identified by the excellent NYC DOH lab, one of the best in the country), and CDC will confirm tomorrow.

Tests have confirmed that eight New York City schoolchildren had a type A influenza virus, likely swine flu, city Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Frieden said on Saturday.
This appears to be very mild illness in NYC, continuing the US pattern, and word is that the kids are doing fine.

Also this information comes from WHO:

After reviewing available data on the current situation, Committee members identified a number of gaps in knowledge about the clinical features, epidemiology, and virology of reported cases and the appropriate responses.

The Committee advised that answers to several specific questions were needed to facilitate its work.

The Committee nevertheless agreed that the current situation constitutes a public health emergency of international concern.

Based on this advice, the Director-General has determined that the current events constitute a public health emergency of international concern, under the Regulations.

Concerning public health measures, in line with the Regulations the Director-General is recommending, on the advice of the Committee, that all countries intensify surveillance for unusual outbreaks of influenza-like illness and severe pneumonia.

The Committee further agreed that more information is needed before a decision could be made concerning the appropriateness of the current phase 3.
See discussion earlier today about what it all means re WHO phases.

For information about swine flu, see CDC's swine flu page and WHO's swine flu page.

For information about pandemic flu (this is not a pandemic, but the sites have a ton of flu info), see pandemic flu.gov, Flu Wiki and your local health department's web page.

Update [2009-4-25 17:27:29 by DemFromCT]: Science magazine has a bit here on how preparing for H5N1 helped us with swine flu identification. This is from an interview with the Naval Health Research Center (NHRC), which helped identify the San Diego swine flu cases.

Q: When did the NHRC increase its surveillance capabilities for influenza?

Our expansion was largely a result of an initiative by the Department of Defense’s (DOD's) Global Emerging Infectious System to intensify pandemic surveillance as a result of the avian influenza (H5N1) crisis. NHRC augmented existing febrile respiratory illness surveillance programs in military recruit trainees and ship-board populations and expanded into dependent populations in San Diego. Also, in a collaborative effort with the CDC, we developed surveillance on the Southern California-Mexico border, which was enhanced this year to deepen surveillance and augment diagnostic training of our Mexican collaborators via funding from the Department of State’s Biosecurity Engagement Program.

so it is possible, this was an asssassination attempt against Obama?

the timing is very suspicious, and prior events in our countries past since 1963 have enabled us to accertain thoughts that a CIAtype (or other alphabet soup agenecy) might do something like this

(actually-the show 24 used this scenerio on President Palmer at the end of one season where he was poisoned, but then the next season forgot about it)

Flu Kills The Torture Memos By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org
26 April 2009
http://www.legitgov.org/flu_kills_torture_memos_260409.html
In a 'Holy convenience, Batman!' moment, a 'unique' flu virus (one likely concocted in US Army labs) overtakes media coverage of revelations that the highest levels of the US government instructed the CIA (and private contractors) to torture terror suspects.

Scientists said the virus combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans in a way researchers have not seen before. “We are very, very concerned,” World Health Organization spokesman Thomas Abraham said. “We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human,” he said. “It’s all hands on deck at the moment.”

Guess where the first swine flu outbreak occurred? That's right, Fort Dix, New Jersey, in 1976. Also likely created in a US Army lab. Thirteen soldiers died, leading the US government to force a questionable vaccine on the population -- backed by a legal liability escape clause mandated by and for the pharma-terrorists. Next, people started dying not from the flu -- but from the *vaccine.*

Every major media outlet has reported the fact that US/UK bioterrorists have been manipulating the avian flu virus in university and Army labs. This new flu strain, one that 'no one has ever seen,' contains avian flu. Now, how does *that* happen?

April 14-15: FEMA’s Interagency Continuity Influenza Pandemic Tabletop Exercise

April 26th, 2009

Via: Imperial Valley News:

Most people recognize the value of a fire drill. Adults and children alike recognize the usual fire drill steps include evacuating the building and reaching a pre-designated spot.

What most people do not recognize is that a fire drill is really an emergency evacuation plan and emergency evacuation plans are growing to include drills such as an influenza pandemic event.

The Houston Federal Executive Board sponsored such a drill, April 14-15. The Interagency Continuity Influenza Pandemic Tabletop Exercise was as an opportunity for federal, state, and local emergency coordinators to discuss how their agencies would manage during a pandemic event.

“My goal since 9-11 is to facilitate the preparedness of federal agencies in the Houston area by providing emergency training opportunities,” said Houston Federal Executive Board Director Michael Mason. “Every class we offer, we open it to state and local agencies where the emergency managers can create partnerships during the training rather than during an emergency.”

The training, provided by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, was interactive requiring attendees to break into small groups to discuss the scenario and the current procedures their agency used to manage an emergency. Group members discussed what certain procedures should be implemented at varying stages and why other procedures could wait.

“A primary focus of this exercise identified the operational impact an agency faces when 30 to 40 percent of their personnel are unable to come to work,” said Chief Jeremy Luczkowski, U.S. Customs and Border Protection. “Developing plans to deal with Pandemic-specific issues is challenging for an agency that deals directly with the public on a daily basis.”



http://cryptogon.com/?p=8228

So when is it one minnute too late to protect oneself?

When should one attempt to make the family stay home

that is the question people are going to shortly be asking, will then be too late?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/...t_b_191408.html
Swine Flu Outbreak -- Nature Biting Back at Industrial Animal Production?

Subject: Mexican Swine Flu - An Advanced Biowar Event

Are you a budding investigating journalist? Find out what the CDC is covering up, and why mainstream media appear to be poo-pooing this unfolding event. What does the federal DHS agency tell you? Have Border Agents received explicit instructions on what to do or how to protect themselves? What about US hospitals, what precautions are they taking, and did any government agencies advise them? How does Homeland Security fit into the loop? DIG!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Mexican-S...090425-757.html

April 25, 2009

Mexican Swine Flu - An Advanced Biowar Event

By Lord Stirling

An Advanced Biowar Event
That Will Be Bigger Than 9/11

On 23 rd April 2009 the world began to become aware of a very strange new version of swine flu H1N1 in Mexico with limited cases in Texas and California. By the morning of the 24th of April, we began hear that there were hundreds of sick and 20 or so dead. By late in the day, we have learned that over 1,000 are now reported ill and over 60 are reported dead. There are solid reasons to suspect that this new Mexican Swine Flu is NOT a naturally occurring event but instead is an Advanced Biological Warfare recombination DNA genetically engineered virus.

Here is what we know of the virus so far. This virus has already gone international having crossed the border from Mexico to America. All schools in Mexico City have been canceled, millions of students told to stay home due to Mexican Swine Flu. Sick victims of this strange new virus are currently reported in California and Texas. Over 60 deaths reported in Mexico (could be substantially higher considering the state of Mexican health care and reporting).

Young healthy adults seem to be the most at risk. This is similar to the deadest killer flu in history, Spanish Flu in 1918. Most if not all nations with advanced biological warfare programs have been interested in recreating the Spanish Flu DNA sequence and several are reported to have done so.

The new Mexican Swine Flu has elements of DNA from the following: avian flu, human flu Type A, human flu Type B, Asian swine flu, and European swine flu. A strange combination never seen before and having less than 1/10% chance of being a natural event. Human and animal viruses from four or more continents suddenly recombine in a new flu during a non-flu season that spreads from human-to-human with a 10% fatality rating.

Over 1,000 reported infected in Mexico; true rate may be much higher. Mexico City seems to be the epicenter of the new virus. Mexico City has 20 million citizens, most terribly poor. Mexico City is notorious for its poor sanitation and public health. "Don't drink the water" has been the byword in Mexico City for decades. It is the perfect breading ground for an explosive growth of this new killer virus. Mexico City has closed all schools, public gatherings, public buildings. People are wearing medical masks on the streets. The government has announced a massive new emergency swine flu vaccination program that will be, at best, either totally non-effective or of very limited effect, and could be, at worst, a deadly option for patients. It is thought that the authorities are trying to contain public panic by announcing the vaccination program.

Both the World Health Organization and the US CDC (Center for Disease Control) have announced, today/24th April, that they are 'very concerned' about a global pandemic developing out of this new disease. Based on advanced biowargaming projections, it is already too late to stop the global spread of this new killer disease. Based on the three waves of Spanish Flu, the latter ones being more lethal, fatality rates may range from approximately 10% to 40% or so in later waves. More people could die in America, Mexico, Canada, Europe, and globally from Mexican Swine Flu than died in World War II.

This new flu is likely a lab-created, genetically engineered virus that either: (1) Escaped accidentally from a lab; or (2) was deliberately released by a nation or non-state organization or a well-trained individual. Click here for several news items.

If there is a positive side to this coming global disaster, it may force governments to quickly come to grips with containing advanced biowar attacks. This is of considerable short term importance as Israel is apt to attack Iran by no later than mid-July 2009. The Iranians, having hired a large number of key ex-Soviet advanced biowar scientists 18 years ago and having spent billions on their asymmetrical MAD (mutually assured destruction) counter-force, are expected to respond to any significant attack on Iran with a biowar attack on Israel, North America, and Europe using in-place agents and dozens of genetically engineered viruses, many with very high projected kill rates.

This event is an advanced biological warfare event. It is far more important than 9/11 and, by itself, could bring deaths in such magnitudes as to exceed the number of deaths from all causes in the Second World War.
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Author's Website: http://europebusines.blogspot.com/

Author's Bio: Earl of Stirling, Hereditary Governor and Lord Lieutenant of Canada. Author of CASH FOR PEERAGES: THE SMOKING GUN (Lulu Press at www.lulu.com/content/953682). Web site: http://europebusines.blogspot.com/

Why this flu outbreak might be different
April 27, 2009
Too soon to tell, but the mortality rate reported from Mexico is alarming. More

Obama declares Swine Flu emergency; plays golf
April 27, 2009
Maybe instead of touring the links, he might get busy looking for an HHS secretary, a head of the CDC, and a Surgeon General to deal with the emergency he just declared. More

[b]
EU: Don't travel to USA and Mexico...
*US calls EU travel warning unwarranted...
**Russia to check all planes from Americas...
JANET: NO TESTING OF INCOMING PLANE PASSENGERS...
STATE DEPT TO ISSUE TRAVEL WARNING TO MEXICO...
Every passenger arriving in Britain from Mexico screened...[/b]

WORLD VS. SWINE FLU • • • • • • • Airline passengers, some wearing face masks, arrive at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport being closely monitored for flu-like symptoms Monday April 27, 2009 in Manila, Philippines. Health authorities in the country, as in most other places, are on alert following the swine flu outbreak in Mexico. The World Health Organization declared the deadly swine flu outbreak a public health emergency of "pandemic potential." (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez) <h1> Latest Infections: 20 In US, Six In Canada… Disease Suspected In 103 Deaths

Obama: " We Are Closely Monitoring The Emerging Cases"... US Declares Public Health Emergency... 8 NYC Students Infected... Confirmed Cases In 5 States... Travel Warnings Issued For Mexico, US... Swine Flu Suspected In New Zealand, France, Spain, Israel, Hong Kong
HUFFPOST'S SWINE FLU BIGNEWS PAGE </h1>

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Snuff, on the one hand I greatly appreciate the contribution you make to the Site with the volumne of News and Editorial coverage you bring...On the other hand, I think you sometimes abuse your position with this kind of partisan crap, which couldn't do anything positive for the reputation of CGCS...my feedback to be taken for whatever it is or isn't worth...

Do we have an HHS secretary, a head of the CDC, and a Surgeon General at this time?

Is there anything to the argument that the absence of any one of them, let alone all three simultaneously, might hamper the nation's response and/or ability to coordinate it?

"Partisan crap"?

Or pragmatic politics inside our huge governmenatl bureaucracies and systems?

Let's appoint a flu tzar and give him some more computer technology...?

We already have disease surveillance software, and we could have/might have taken an integrated approach to the use of knowledge-management tools in emergency management. I was personally involved in the design of an integrated PC desktop emergency management exercise/simulation to teach local and state officials how to manage the outbreak through epidemiological research married to enforcement of an animal-vectored disease with human cross-over and pandemic potential for DARPA and the FDA years ago (the project was killed); perhaps having an HHS secretary, a head of the CDC, and a Surgeon General available to particpate in key exercises and conference calls, and to know, understand and manage the capabilities that exist under their command, might make a critical difference. In their absence, such coordination must necessarily suffer, even in the presence of appropriate and aligned underlings.

Partisan crap? No, prudent political science.

this is being manufactured by the press into something that is mathematically incorrect

Government says this has a 24 or at most 48 hour incubation period

that being the case

with the logic that one sneeze can infect an entire NYC train, and those people go through their day infecting millions more

everyone already would be ill

Almost all of these cases are most likely than not people who have the flu that they had already said was not 100% covered by the flu shot this year


btw- if anyone would be afraid of it, being that someone he was in close contact with has died, it would be Obama, having been in Mexico.
He doesn't even have the sniffles.

I think it would be more prudent to ban all cigarettes and alchohol, as those kill millions and yet are free to be purchased

Mag, I have no argument with anything you are saying here. My point is that if anyone has a complaint about the proportion of time the President spends at work and at play, then I prefer they make this explicit rather than to use an article from the "Stinker" to make it indirectly.

in NYC there has been ONE CLUSTER of one group of school kids in ONE SCHOOL, all whom happened to be in Mexico on spring break

and the number of confirmed cases has grown because more results came in FROM THAT ONE CLUSTER OF SAME SCHOOL KIDS

If there were 150 kids, and the first 20 confirmed, then another 20, that doesn't mean there is any new case at all. It means the SAME CLUSTER
AT THE SAME SCHOOL.

And all were in contact with many, many people since they got back, and NOT ONE outsider of this immediate group has taken ill

not to mention- not one has died, all had mild symptoms, and all are getting better, not worse.

What use is a vaccine when in order to make enough of the vaccine to be of use it would take weeks or months...

A theory: Epidemiological tsunamis or pandemics come in waves. Vaccines, using especially the viral genes from the first wave, would be of great value in the second and perhaps third wave.

Thanks for the explanation...

WHO looks set to raise pandemic threat level
27 Apr 2009 18:38:17 GMT
Source: Reuters
* WHO set to raise pandemic alert level to phase 4 or 5 * U.S. CDC growing vaccine strain * U.S. confirmed cases double to 40 (Adds end of experts meeting) By Jonathan Lynn GENEVA, April 27 ...

because it will be in a flu shot next year

flu is around every year

100s of thousands die from the regular flu each year

(the fools who don't get a flu shot or think vaccinations are evil, they are the ones that die)

yes, the confirmed cases have doubled because people IN THE SAME ORIGINAL CLUSTER have had more results come in FROM THE SAME GROUP
and they have been found, as originally thought, to have had it.

they are the same original people, not some new ones.

Well Ria - I view what I do as presenting all sides. Not just one side. Have been doing that since the beginning. There is no dearth of partisan crap as you call it on the Democratic side of the fence either. In any event, I would prefer the CDC calling the shots rather
than Janet Napolitano. My feedback to be taken for watever it is or isn't worth.

Let me also add that I have a funny feeling - can't prove it - that this virus was bio engineered. And we won't know that for months.
CDC is going to have a lot of work on its hands examining it. I just hope that Obama wasn't exposed to it - the architect fellow he met with when in Mexico died of it yesterday.