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graham4anything
They are working on getting a vaccine ready before the second wave hits America in the fall.

I have gotten a regular flu shot almost all years, and those years I did not get the flu. The years I did not get a shot, sure enough, I got a bad case of
that years flu.

Should I, who may be in one of the categories to have a higher risk (being overweight by a good # of pounds) get the shot as I plan, or should I
listen to those who feel something bad is out there and that the shots themselves are going to be some sort of bio-chemical weapon that kills.

On epu, magmak1 made a long thread about this, with the only one arguing against it being me.

So I am curious from our regular posters, and from all others here, are you wanting the vaccine shot when it becomes available, the sooner the better.

Or will you bypass it and hope that the only ones dying will be from those taking the shots.

As someone who is what they would call I guess obese, this flu has me worried.

One article will follow.
graham4anything
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/200...cine-fast-track

By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health NewsReviewed by Brunilda Nazario, MDJuly 17, 2009 -- Pandemic swine flu vaccine should be fast-tracked, with vaccinations starting in mid-September -- soon after schools open.

That recommendation is expected at today's meeting of the National Biodefense Safety Board (NBSB), an influential board of outside advisors to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

© 2009 WebMD, LLC. All rights reserved.

Getting swine flu vaccine by September means skipping all but the most preliminary clinical tests of vaccine safety and effectiveness.

"We cannot wait beyond mid-August [to make a decision] if vaccine is to be in supply by mid-September," the panel's pandemic influenza working group states in a briefing document. "A critical goal is to have some [standalone] novel H1N1 vaccine available by mid-September 2009, should it be needed."

Why rush through a swine flu vaccine? The first wave of the swine flu pandemic is only just starting to ebb in the U.S. But the virus spreads quickly among children -- and the nation's schools begin opening in late August.

"A second wave is likely to occur, as soon as fall 2009," the briefing document states. "Best estimates suggest that infection rates will be two to three times higher than expected with seasonal influenza. The second wave could peak in October, but we must anticipate onset as early as September."

Initial doses likely will go to those most severely hit by the pandemic so far: infants, toddlers, school-age children, pregnant women, and adults with risk factors for severe flu disease. Next week, the CDC's vaccine advisory board will recommend a priority list for exactly who will first get the vaccine.

The National Biodefense Science Board advises Sebelius on emergency preparedness for biological threats. Whether to act on the NBSB's decision is up to Sebelius and, ultimately, to President Barack Obama.

Why deploy a vaccine that hasn't completed safety and efficacy testing? Because we already have a lot of experience with similar vaccines, concluded the NBSB flu vaccine working group, led by University of Utah flu expert Andrew Pavia, MD.

Pandemic swine flu is a type A, H1N1 flu virus. For decades, a type A H1N1 vaccine has been part of the regular seasonal flu vaccine, and the new vaccine is made exactly the same way.

Fast-tracking the vaccine will mean guessing at the best dose, but that's an educated guess based on the well-established dosage for the seasonal H1N1 vaccine.

A more critical guess is whether people will be protected against the new flu bug with only one shot of vaccine. The NBSB working group suggests that previous exposure to H1N1 virus and H1N1 vaccine will prime virtually the entire population so that only one dose is needed -- even though the seasonal vaccine does not protect against pandemic swine flu.

Fast-tracking the vaccine would also mean deciding who's first in line. Robin Robinson, PhD, director of BARDA, the Health and Human Services agency responsible for the logistics of emergency medical supplies, says tens of millions of doses should become available in September, with tens of millions more doses coming in October, November, and December.

The nine voting members of the NBSB include experts from universities, the pharmaceutical industry, and medical groups. NBSB chairwoman Patricia Quinlisk, MD, MPH, is director of the Iowa health department. Non-voting members of the NBSB include representatives of the White House, the Health and Human Services Department, national security agencies, the FDA, and NASA.
xyzse
I don't know.
I have had flu shots the past few years. I think I'll take the regular one, but the swine flu one, I really don't know. I don't know enough about it.
Snuffysmith

Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090718/ap_on_...med_swine_flu_3
NiteOwl
I'll take my chances without it.

There is risk in taking the vacccine... any vaccine, but I do not trust that this vaccine will be safe. I also believe that this is but another way for the big pharmas to cash in.

So far I've seen little evidence that the SF is as virulent as was first thought.

Snuffysmith
Obama Pledges $1.8 Billion To Fight Swine Flu
believe_it
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http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/200...on-to-stop.html

July 17, 2009
Post by Ginger Taylor


World Health Organization to Stop Tracking Swine Flu Cases

What?!

Wait... I thought that H1N1 was such a huge threat that we needed to rush out a vaccine to everyone on the planet with as little as five days of safety testing, and that HHS "anticipated" being voluntary, but could be made mandatory for everyone.

But apparently is it also so small a threat that we don't even need to track how big the threat is any more.

You have got to be kidding me.

Apparently they mentioned this little tidbit under their breath as they were leaving a room or something, because their official spokesman was baffled when someone asked him about it.

I try very hard not to become cynical on vaccine issues and rush to blame over zealous vaccination policies on motives of financial gain, but I don't know how not to go there when the agency calling for world wide swine flu uptake stops measuring the need for such uptake.

As soon as they stop counting, no one can make the arguement that this vaccine will be necessary because we won't know how many people are actually dying from it. Which is fewer and fewer, now that the number of people infected is actually in the millions.

So we are just supposed to take WHO's advice to take a minimally tested vaccine, with out knowing if it really is necessary? Knowing full well that THEY don't even know if it is necessary?

When will health policy makers begin acting in good faith with the people who are supposed to be following their polices? Because now they know that we know that they don't even know if this shot is necessary?

I just we are just supposed to turn off our brains, not think for ourselves, have no desire to make informed health decisions and hand over our cash (via taxes, insurance premiums or actual cash) and get a shot because some people we don't know with letters after their names said so.

Come to think of it, who is the WHO anyway? Who are they accountable to, what do they know about me and my family, and why do I care what they think? If they are wrong in their recommendations and policies, or even criminal, what recourse do I have? Writing a strongly worded letter?

...becoming cynical...
W.H.O. Says It Plans to Stop Tracking Swine Flu Cases
New York Times
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: July 16, 2009


In a move that caught many public health experts by surprise, the World Health Organization quietly announced Thursday that it would stop tracking swine flu cases and deaths around the world.

The announcement, made in a "briefing note" posted on the organization's Web site late in the day, perplexed some experts, and even baffled a W.H.O. spokesman, Gregory Hartl, who said in an e-mail message, "I don't have reliable info" about what his agency would track instead.

Only a little earlier in the day, Mr. Hartl had confirmed that Argentina, with 137 swine flu deaths since June, had surpassed Mexico, where the epidemic began in February, as the country with second largest number of swine flu deaths. Mexico has 121, and the United States, with a much larger population, has 211.

The last W.H.O. update, issued on July 6, showed 94,512 confirmed cases in 122 countries, with 429 deaths.

Many epidemiologists have pointed out that, in reality, millions of people have had swine flu, usually in a mild form, so the numbers of laboratory-confirmed cases were actually meaningless. And performing the tests has overwhelmed many national laboratories.

The briefing note said countries would still be asked to report their first few confirmed cases. It also said countries should watch for clusters of fatalities, which could indicate that the virus had mutated to a more lethal form. Other "signals to be vigilant for," it said, were spikes in school absenteeism and surges in hospital visits.


Link from http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/200...ave-choice.html

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http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/June...--by-Barba.aspx

VIDEO /TRANSCRIPT

Swine Flu Vaccine: Will We Have A Choice?
Posted: 6/18/2009 1:26:51 PM by NVIC Administrator
by Barbara Loe Fisher


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Snuffysmith
Novartis Says Swine Flu Virus Gives Poor Harvest for Vaccine
Bloomberg - USA
The H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, is sweeping the southern hemisphere as tens of thousands of patients test positive for the virus in Australia, ...
Snuffysmith
Swine Flu: Why You Should Still Be Worried
FOXNews - USA
In the US, the H1N1 virus has sickened tens of thousands and closed summer camps at a time when there should be little or no flu activity. ...
Snuffysmith

Skinvisible Prepares as H1N1 (Swine Flu) Virus Spreads
GlobeNewsWire (press release) - Los Angeles,CA,USA
The studies were conducted by Retroscreen Virology of London, England UK demonstrating a greater than 99.99% inactivation/kill on the H1N1 influenza A virus ...
Snuffysmith
Pandemic Information News: 2009 H1N1 Influenza A: Clinical Details ...
By Commonground
Prior to the outbreak of 2009 H1N1, most isolates of the seasonal variety of H1N1 influenza A harbored a resistance mutation (H274Y) that renders oseltamivir ineffective; now this mutation has appeared in several 2009 H1N1 virus ...
Pandemic Information News - http://pandemicinformationnews.blogspot.com/
Mac2
No problem, "shoot the juice to me Bruce!"!
Snuffysmith
Barack Opharma issues ultimate bad news during Administration's 'Friday Night Bad News Dump': Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers 17 Jul 2009 The last time the government embarked on a major vaccine campaign against a new swine flu, thousands filed claims contending they suffered side effects [paralysis, death] from the shots. This time, the government has already taken steps to head that off. Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, government health officials said Friday. The document signed by Sebelius last month grants immunity to those making a swine flu vaccine, under the provisions of a 2006 law for public health emergencies. [See: CLG Pandemic Action Alerts 12 Jul 2009 Petition against mandatory vaccines; contact the White House, US Congress --More flu news here.]
Snuffysmith
Safety questions over swine flu jab --Vaccine will be rushed out before results of health checks are known as licensing is accelerated for 132m doses of vaccine 18 Jul 2009 The first doses of swine flu vaccine will be given to the public before full data on its safety and effectiveness become available, doctors confirmed yesterday. The pandemic vaccine version will be spread over two doses in a higher quantity, and one brand [Gee, I wonder who that could be?] is expected to contain a chemical additive to make it go further, potentially increasing the risk of side-effects... A previous vaccine against swine flu turned out to be worse than the disease. An outbreak in the US in 1976 infected 200 soldiers at a military camp [Fort Dix] in New Jersey... But before it was over 40 million people had been vaccinated, 25 of whom died and 500 of whom developed Guillain-Barre syndrome, an inflammation of the nervous system which can cause paralysis and be fatal.
Snuffysmith
[b]Baxter: The 'Lucky Larry' of swine flu Baxter Vaccine 'Oddities'[/b] By Lori Price 17 Jul 2009 Baxter files swine flu vaccine patent year ahead of outbreak --Baxter can take no more H1N1 flu vaccine orders --Baxter 2Q Profit Up 7.9%; Full-Year Guidance Raised --Baxter working on vaccine to stop swine flu, though admitted sending live pandemic flu viruses to subcontractor

Snuffysmith
Quarantine at detention center due to swine flu --ICE: 72 detainees segregated from center's general population for observation 15 Jul 2009 Authorities say dozens of immigrants being held at San Diego's Otay Mesa detention center are being quarantined because of fears over the swine flu. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say two cases of the H1N1 virus have been confirmed at the facility since last month. The individuals were treated and recovered.
graham4anything
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Jul 18 2009, 11:44 AM) *
Barack Opharma issues ultimate bad news during Administration's 'Friday Night Bad News Dump': Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers 17 Jul 2009 The last time the government embarked on a major vaccine campaign against a new swine flu, thousands filed claims contending they suffered side effects [paralysis, death] from the shots. This time, the government has already taken steps to head that off. Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, government health officials said Friday. The document signed by Sebelius last month grants immunity to those making a swine flu vaccine, under the provisions of a 2006 law for public health emergencies. [See: CLG Pandemic Action Alerts 12 Jul 2009 Petition against mandatory vaccines; contact the White House, US Congress --More flu news here.]



this has a major mistake in its slant-
while yes, immunity for the makers

there will be a way to get compensation set up, as has been for the last two decades if something goes wrong
in a general fund.

This is a good thing.
Because there would be no shots as it really does not make the companies all that much compared to using their time elsewhere
graham4anything
Govt calls for volunteers to test swine flu shots
By LAURAN NEERGAARD (AP) – 44 minutes ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...32TZdQD99JNBSO1
WASHINGTON — The race is on: The government and vaccine makers are seeking thousands of volunteers, from babies to the elderly, to roll up their sleeves for the first swine flu shots — to test whether a new vaccine really will protect against this novel virus before its expected rebound in the fall.

On Wednesday the National Institutes of Health tapped a network of medical centers around the country to begin a series of studies, with the first shots to go into the arms of healthy adults, of any age, in early August. If there are no immediate safety concerns, such as allergic reactions, testing quickly would begin in children as young as 6 months.

The tests, plus additional research from vaccine manufacturers, are key as the government decides whether to offer swine flu vaccine to millions of Americans starting in mid-October — assuming that enough is produced by then — still a big question as the vaccine is proving hard to manufacture. Health authorities in other countries are looking to the U.S. studies, too, as they make their own plans.

It's crucial to test all ages. Unlike regular winter flu that is most dangerous to people over 65 and under 2, this new swine flu that has quickly spread around the globe seems to disproportionately target school-age children, teenagers and young adults.

Will the results come in time? "It's going to be very, very close," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told The Associated Press.

"We are racing to provide them as much information as we possibly can," said Dr. Karen Kotloff of the University of Maryland School of Medicine, who is helping to lead the NIH study. She said doctors and other health workers already were asking about enrolling in the study themselves.

It promises to be a confusing fall, as doctors struggle to administer vaccine against the regular winter flu and tell patients to stay tuned for when and if they can later return for another shot or two of swine flu vaccine.

The test plan: All volunteers will get two swine flu shots, given 21 days apart. By early September, blood tests should show how much immune protection the initial dose triggered — and if a low-dose shot worked or a higher dose was needed. It will take another month to get information on the second shot.

Will parents want to enroll very young children? The NIH chose study hospitals with experience in testing vaccines on the very young, and "it's not a radically different vaccine from what they already get anyway," Fauci said.

The new swine flu strain is part of the H1N1 family of influenza viruses. We're used to that family. Some human strain of H1N1 has been included in regular influenza vaccine for 33 years, Fauci said — and the seasonal flu vaccine has a safe record for all ages. Yet because its a unique H1N1 strain, with genes that originated in swine, scientists worry that it may be harder than usual for a vaccine to trigger protection.

The swine flu vaccine "falls somewhere between a completely new vaccine and a strain change we do every year without clinical trials," said Dr. John Treanor of the University of Rochester, a government vaccine adviser.

As for safety, the studies will track the typical vaccine side effects — redness, swelling, fever, allergic reactions — and any unexpected immediate reaction.

"We expect this vaccine to be no different than seasonal (flu) vaccine. It ought to be extremely safe," said Dr. William Schaffner, a vaccine specialist at Vanderbilt University.

But the studies won't be large enough to catch any very rare side effect. The last mass vaccination against a different swine flu, in the U.S. in 1976, was marred by reports of paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome. Scientists could never prove whether that link was real or coincidence, but all flu vaccine today comes with a warning about Guillain-Barre — and the government has pledged intense monitoring for rare reactions if mass swine flu vaccinations go forward.

Included in the NIH studies are vaccines made by France-based Sanofi-Pasteur and CSL Ltd. Also Wednesday, CSL began a much smaller study of its vaccine in Australia, where the company is based.

All five U.S. providers of flu vaccine — including Britain's GlaxoSmithKline, Swiss-based Novartis AG and maker of the only nasal-spray vaccine, Maryland-based MedImmune — also will conduct their own studies in several thousand more volunteers. Thursday, the Food and Drug Administration will review their testing plans.

The NIH's main study sites:

_University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore.

_University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa.

_Saint Louis University, St. Louis, Mo.

_Baylor College of Medicine, Houston.

_Children's Hospital Medical Center, Cincinnati.

_Emory University, Atlanta.

_Group Health Cooperative, Seattle.

_Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tenn.

Children's Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, Mo., and Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C., will partner with two sites for part of the research.

On the Net:
To search for "H1N1 influenza vaccine" trials: http://www.clinicaltrials.gov
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Magmak1
A top epidemiologist has slammed the “dangerous fearmongering” behind the swine flu scare and dismissed it as nothing more than the product of an industry licking its lips at the prospect of a profitable pandemic. http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-epidemiolo...rmongering.html


With a top of the cap to Catherine Austin Fitts' blog at Solari http://solari.com/blog/

Dispelling Vaccination Myths: An Introduction to the Contradictions Between Medical Science and Immunization Policies.
http://www.vaccinerights.com/DispellingVaccinationMythsx.pdf

Vaccine Rights Webinar with Alan Phillips, J.D. and Dr. Mayer
Eisenstein, M.D., J.D., 7-15-09. View the Archive HERE. Approx. 1 hr.

NEW! - Pandemic Flu Vaccine Rights Information HERE

The Authoritative Guide to
VACCINE LEGAL EXEMPTIONS
2009 REVISED v. 3.0 Edition Now Available!

Alan Phillips, Attorney at Law, P.O. Box 3473, Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473
http://www.vaccinerights.com/


What Fitts Believes about the Swine Flu (and many comments and her responses)
http://solari.com/blog/?p=3532
Magmak1
The Rockefellers, eugenics and birth control

This 4.5-minute YouTube clip is part of an examination of the Rockefeller family and contains an encounter between representatives from WeAreChange.org and the Senator from West Virginia who used to be involved in intelligence oversight. [Talk about speaking truth to power... ] The video also makes some reference to prior research that has been done regarding the funding by the Rockefellers of the eugenics movement and research at Cold Spring Harbor.

Here's the WikiPedia entry on eugenics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Here are the definitions of the word: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&def...on&ct=title

That should lend some illumination on the Prentice estate called Mount Hope Farm near where I grew up, the one with 'the million-dollar cow barn'....

Moooving along:

There are two links of interest regarding that family that I haven't yet read:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3301655/The-Roch...e-by-Gary-Allen

http://www.scribd.com/doc/903677/The-Rocke...s-By-Gary-Allen

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Graham once claimed: “... the first post here would assume everyone knows what [the doctor] was talking about, as there was no article, link or anything describing what she was talking about.

As this shows too, planned parenthood all across the nation backs this.
Now you know they are not in the republican's/conservatives pockets are they? “



But Planned Parenthood is an outgrowth of Margaret Sanger's funding from the Rockefeller clan:


How Planned Parenthood Duped America

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.

While Planned Parenthood's current apologists try to place some distance between the eugenics and birth control movements, history definitively says otherwise. The eugenic theme figured prominently in the Birth Control Review, which Sanger founded in 1917. She published such articles as "Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics" (June 1920), "The Eugenic Conscience" (February 1921), "The purpose of Eugenics" (December 1924), "Birth Control and Positive Eugenics" (July 1925), "Birth Control: The True Eugenics" (August 1928), and many others.

These eugenic and racial origins are hardly what most people associate with the modern Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA), which gave its Margaret Sanger award to the late Dr. Martin Luther King in 1966, and whose current president, Faye Wattleton, is black, a former nurse, and attractive.

Though once a social pariah group, routinely castigated by religious and government leaders, the PPFA is now an established, high-profile, well-funded organization with ample organizational and ideological support in high places of American society and government. Its statistics are accepted by major media and public health officials as "gospel"; its full-page ads appear in major newspapers; its spokespeople are called upon to give authoritative analyses of what America's family policies should be and to prescribe official answers that congressmen, state legislator and Supreme Court justiices all accept as "social orthodoxy."

Blaming Families

Sanger's obsession with eugenics can be traced back to her own family. One of 11 children, she wrote in the autobiographical book, My Fight for Birth Control, that "I associated poverty, toil, unemployment, drunkenness, cruelty, quarreling, fighting, debts, jails with large families." Just as important was the impression in her childhood of an inferior family status, exacerbated by the iconoclastic, "free-thinking" views of her father, whose "anti-Catholic attitudes did not make for his popularity" in a predominantly Irish community.

The fact that the wealthy families in her hometown of Corning, N.Y., had relatively few children, Sanger took as prima facie evidence of the impoverishing effect of larger families. The personal impact of this belief was heightened 1899, at the age of 48. Sanger was convinced that the "ordeals of motherhood" had caused the death of her mother. The lingering consumption (tuberculosis) that took her mother's life visited Sanger at the birth of her own first child on Nov. 18, 1905. The diagnosis forced her to seek refuge in the Adirondacks to strengthen her for the impending birth. Despite the precautions, the birth of baby Grant was "agonizing," the mere memory of which Sanger described as "mental torture" more than 25 years later. She once described the experience as a factor "to be reckoned with" in her zealous campaign for birth control.

From the beginning, Sanger advocacy of sex education reflected her interest in population control and birth prevention among the "unfit." Her first handbook, published for adolescents in 1915 and entitled, What Every Boy and Girl Should Know, featured a jarring afterword:

It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them.

To Sanger, the ebbing away of moral and religious codes over sexual conduct was a natural consequence of the worthlessness of such codes in the individual's search for self-fulfillment. "Instead of laying down hard and fast rules of sexual conduct," Sanger wrote in her 1922 book Pivot of Civilization, "sex can be rendered effective and valuable only as it meets and satisfies the interests and demands of the pupil himself." Her attitude is appropriately described as libertinism, but sex knowledge was not the same as individual liberty, as her writings on procreation emphasized.

The second edition of Sanger's life story, An Autobiography, appeared in 1938. There Sanger described her first cross-country lecture tour in 1916. Her standard speech asserted seven conditions of life that "mandated" the use of birth control: the third was "when parents, though normal, had subnormal children"; the fourth, "when husband and wife were adolescent"; the fifth, "when the earning capacity of the father was inadequate." No right existed to exercise sex knowledge to advance procreation. Sanger described the fact that "anyone, no matter how ignorant, how diseased mentally or physically, how lacking in all knowledge of children, seemed to consider he or she had the right to become a parent."

Religious Bigotry

In the 1910's and 1920's, the entire social order–religion, law, politics, medicine, and the media–was arrayed against the idea and practice of birth control. This opposition began in 1873 when an overwhelmingly Protestant Congress passed, and a Protestant president signed into law, a bill that became known as the Comstock Law, named after its main proponent, Anthony Comstock. The U.S. Congress classified obscene writing, along with drugs, and devices and articles that prevented conception or caused abortion, under the same net of criminality and forbade their importation or mailing.

Sanger set out to have such legislation abolished or amended. Her initial efforts were directed at the Congress with the opening of a Washington, D.C., office of her American Birth Control League in 1926. Sanger wanted to amend section 211 of the U.S. criminal code to allow the interstate shipment and mailing of contraceptives among physicians, druggists and drug manufacturers.

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http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

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“... In 1923, under the auspices of the ABCL, she established the Clinical Research Bureau (CRB). Sanger eventually found a loophole in the system when she had learned that physicians were exempt from the law that prohibited the distribution of contraceptive information to women when prescribed for medical reasons.[5] With the help of her wealthy supporters, Sanger was finally able to open the first legal birth control clinic that was staffed entirely by female doctors and social workers. It was the first legal birth control clinic in the US (renamed Margaret Sanger Research Bureau in 1940). It received crucial grants from John D. Rockefeller, Jr.'s Bureau of Social Hygiene from 1924 onwards, which were made anonymously to avoid public exposure of the Rockefeller name to her agenda. The family also consistently supported her ongoing efforts in regard to population control.[9]

Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, a social philosophy which claims that human hereditary traits can be improved through social intervention. In 1939 Margaret Sanger started “The Negro Project”. She enlisted black preachers to support sterilization. The plan was shown in a letter to Clarence Gamble of the Procter and Gamble Empire,

We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.[20][21]

Methods of social intervention (targeted at those seen as "genetically unfit") advocated by some negative eugenicists have included selective breeding, sterilization and euthanasia. In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to:

Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

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If you Google for the "Obama Rockefeller connection", you will find on the first page alone four or five videos and
this article 9 http://cryptome.info/0001/obama-trilat.htm ] about Obama's connections to the Trilateral Commission and more...

as well as Kurt Nimmo's article from which this is an excerpt:

"As John B. Sharpless of the University of Wisconsin documented in 1993 after examining the files of the Rockefeller Foundation, the records of the Population Council, and the personal papers of John D. Rockefeller III, Rockefeller spawned foundations are responsible for a “nearly unanimous change in attitudes and ideas about population that occurred during the 1960s.” In addition to the Rockefeller Foundation and the Population Council, other foundations active in eugenics include the Ford Foundation, the Milbank Memorial Fund, the Carnegie Corporation, and the Conservation Foundation.

The Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island in 1904 that stockpiled millions of index cards on ordinary Americans, as researchers carefully plotted the removal of families, bloodlines and whole peoples. “From Cold Spring Harbor, eugenics advocates agitated in the legislatures of America, as well as the nation’s social service agencies and associations,” Edwin Black wrote for the San Francisco Chronicle in 2003.

In the United States, key eugenic organizations funded by the Rockefeller, Harriman and Carnegie families included the American Eugenics Society, and its sister organization, the American Society of Human Genetics established in 1947, the above mentioned Cold Springs Harbor Experimental Station for the Study of Evolution, the Eugenic Record Office, and the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research.

It should be noted that J.D. Rockefeller and Averell Harriman were business partners of Prescott Bush in Brown Brothers Harriman. In addition to funding and promoting eugenics, they supported and funded the Nazi rise to power.

Jay Rockefeller’s family is responsible for the racist eugenics policies that led to the mass extermination of millions.

The Rockefellers funded the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Germany, ultimately responsible for Hitler’s mass extermination policy. In addition to supporting Alexis Carrel, who advocated the use of poison gas to get rid of useless eaters, the Rockefellers funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz where he became medical commandant and experimented on concentration camp inmates. These gruesome medical experiments included needles used to change eye color, work on infections and blood transfusions, the removal of limbs without anesthetics, sex changes, sterilization, and other unspeakable crimes. Countless people were murdered and their organs, eyeballs, heads, and limbs sent to the Rockefeller group at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute.

The Rockefellers’ chief executive for the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute was the fascist Swiss psychiatrist Ernst Rudin. Rudin and his staff, as part of the Task Force of Heredity Experts chaired by SS chief Heinrich Himmler, crafted Germany’s sterilization law. Dr. Alexis Carrel of the Rockefeller Institute and a Nobel Prize winner publically applauded Hitler for advocating the mass murder of mental patients and prisoners.

Rockefeller and his bankster cronies were up to their eyes in eugenics and mass extermination. “Under the Nazis, the German chemical company I.G. Farben and Rockefeller’s Standard Oil of New Jersey were effectively a single firm, merged in hundreds of cartel arrangements. I.G. Farben was led, up until 1937, by the Warburg family, Rockefeller’s partner in banking and in the design of Nazi German eugenics,” writes Anton Chaitkin. Standard-Germany president Emil Helfferich testified after the war that Standard Oil funds helped pay for SS guards at Auschwitz, the notorious mass extermination and slave labor camp.

After the war, the Rockefeller eugenics movement experienced a facelift to distance itself from the discredited Nazis. In the 1950s, the Rockefellers reorganized the U.S. eugenics movement and added population-control and abortion groups. The Eugenics Society changed its name to the Society for the Study of Social Biology — a mere two months after Roe was handed down. “The name was changed because it became evident that changes of a eugenic nature would be made for reasons other than eugenics, and that tying a eugenic label on them would more often hinder than help their adoption. Birth control and abortion are turning out to be great eugenic advances of our time. If they had been advanced for eugenic reasons it would have retarded or stopped their acceptance,” commented Frederick Osborn, who oversaw the workings of the organization at the time.

As documented by Rebecca Messall and others, Roe v. Wade “relies directly and indirectly on the work of members of the British and American eugenic societies and of eugenics-related groups and initiatives.” Abortion has nothing to do with “choice” or empowering women — it is about controlling the masses and "culling the herd" .

In his excellent study of the Rockefellers, Gary Allen explains that the “Rockefeller game plan is to use population, energy, food, and financial controls as a method of people control which will lead, steadily and deliberately, into the Great Merger,” a one-world government and global fascism. “Understand that … enforced infertility is not planned for India or Senegal, but for the United States, where zero population growth is already a fact.

But we are being led to believe that unless we give Big Brother total power over people’s rights to have children, we will all be ankle deep in human beings within a decade. Such august organizations as the National Academy of Sciences are helping to hawk this Rockefeller line… Curbing population growth is just part of the Rockefeller war on the American family. Abortion is another.

Jay Rockefeller may deny knowledge of his family’s intimate connections to eugenics and abortion — and direct involvement in Hitler’s genocidal rampage across Europe — but the record is out there for all to see. It is easily researched on the internet.

And maybe that is why Jay Rockefeller mused during a Senate committee hearing a few months ago that we’d all be better off if the internet never existed. Minus the internet and search engines, it will be far easier to lead the masses to near extinction if they go ignorantly blissful like lambs to the slaughter with little more resistance than a bleat.

Drastically slashing world population and reducing the remainder into obedient slaves is the final act of the global elite. Jay Rockefeller knows it and that’s what his knowing smile was all about.

"culling the herd"

Sounds like we need more cowbell...!
http://www.zoopy.com/video/f39/i-want-more-cowbell

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The Fitts article linked above [ http://solari.com/blog/?p=3532 ] has some interesting additiional thoughts and perspectives:


Catherine's response to one comment: "You need to study livestock management ..."

Another comment:

"Last February, several billionaires (among them Bill Gates, D. Rockefeller, Turner, Buffet, Soros …) met and the first item on their agenda was “over-population” according to a Times article.

“The Gates Foundation commitment to population control funding was likely considerably strengthened with the $31 billion donation to the foundation last year by multi-billionaire Warren Buffet, a personal friend of Bill Gates. Buffett is especially concerned about world population and has given multi-million dollar donations to causes such as the production of the abortion pill RU-486, Planned Parenthood, and the misleadingly-named Catholics for a Free Choice.”

… And who is *also* behind vaccines? Bill Gates with his Gates Foundation. “The Gates Foundation will put up $750 million to establish the Global Fund for Children’s Vaccines.” Now, the man may be well intentioned. That is, if you believe he has suddenly changed from a ruthless, duplicitous, heartless businessman into a do-gooder. Yeah."

"culling the herd"
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Swine Flu May Cause Seizures in Children: New York Times
Additive to stretch supply of flu vaccine

Swine Flu Prevention Takes on New Urgency: U.S. Officials Call for FDA to Approve Vaccine Without Data from Clinical Trials
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On the Edge of Genetic Control in US?

by Justin O'Connell / July 25th, 2009

In February of 2009, Forbes magazine published the article, “John Holdren, Ideological Environmentalist: a most dogmatic member of Obama’s Dream Team.” The article goes on to outline what, in recent days, has lit ablaze the online press: John Holdren, Obama’s “Science Czar”, is a major proponent of hard-line eugenics policies. Forbes’ labels Holdren a “fierce environmentalist.”1

According to Forbes, Holdren’s environmentalism has been celebrated over the years. He has been the Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy at Harvard’s Research Center and a past president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Holdren partook as a member of The Limits to Growth club. In his 1971 Sierra Club book, Energy: A Crisis in Power, Holdren writes “it is fair to conclude that under almost any assumptions, the supplies of crude petroleum and natural gas are severely limited. The bulk of energy likely to flow from these sources may have been tapped within the lifetime of many of the present population.” The science supporting notions of peak oil, regardless of Holdren’s confidence, has been seriously scrutinized, giving credence to Forbes claim that Holdren holds serious dogmas.

From Forbes,

In keeping with his dogmatic (my italicization) limits-to-growth convictions, Holdren joined his frequent co-author, eco-doomster Paul Ehrlich, in a famous bet against cornucopian economist Julian Simon.

In 1980, Holdren, Ehrlich and Stanford colleague John Harte picked a basket of five commodities–chrome, copper, nickel, tin and tungsten–that they were sure were going to rise in price as they became increasingly scarce. They drew up a futures contract obligating Simon to sell Holdren, Ehrlich and Harte the same quantities of five metals that could be purchased for $1,000 10 years later at 1980 prices.

If the combined prices rose above $1,000, Simon would pay the difference. If they fell below $1,000, Ehrlich would pay Simon. Ehrlich mailed Simon a check for $576.07 in October 1990. Simply put, the combined real prices of the metals selected by Holdren and his colleagues fell by more than 50% during the 1980s, confirming cornucopian claims that the supply of resources over time becomes more abundant, not scarcer.

Holdren also held the view that, by 2040, the US population would reach 270 million, and that that would pose a “severe” problem. Today, in 2009, the population of the U.S. is about 304 million. In a 1975 The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists article, Holdren slightly tinkered with his previous conceptions of limits to energy, writing that “civilization is not running out of energy; but it is running out of cheap energy.”

In his 1977 book Ecoscience, Holdren, Paul Ehrlich (head of science under Bush), and Anne Ehrlich write on page 837 that “Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however.”

Holdren also proposes “a comprehensive Planetary Regime (that) could control the development, administration and distribution of all natural resources…not only in the atmosphere and the oceans, but in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes.”

He states further, the “Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits…The Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”

Some syndicated columnists argue the claims made by concerned citizens are moot points, for the tome Ecoscience was written more than thirty years ago. Maybe so, until one learns that some of the suggestions are already utilized by the U.S. government, as over 250 different pharmaceutical chemicals have been found in the drinking supply of the unsuspecting U.S. population. Many of these chemicals are attributed to hyper feminization in women and demasculinization in men. In one example, Holdren states his belief that under the current U.S. Constitution, adding sterilants to the nation’s water supply was probably a good thing:

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.

Eugenics, an outcome of the study of human heredity, aims to “improve” the genetic makeup of the human stock. While the idea of eugenics appears in Plato’s Republic, the modern concept became prominent during the second half of the 19th century. Two widespread philosophical beliefs formed the bedrock of eugenics: a belief in the perfectibility of the human species and a spreading faith in science as the most accurate tool of knowledge.

Social Darwinism was one 19th century predecessor to the 20th century eugenics movement. Two predominant themes of social Darwinism—“struggle for existence” and “survival of the fittest”—as applied to human sociality, were premised upon the notion that the rich were more biologically fit than were the poor and, for that reason, more successful in life. More nuanced theories of evolution, naturally, render the assumption that competition is the bedrock mechanism of evolution obsolete, thereby making room for the notion that cooperation is in the driver’s seat. Could some form of competitive cooperation oil the gears of evolution? A healthy competition?

By separating the “better” and “worse” elements, according to social Darwinism, the species could continually be improved. Modern eugenics breaks from that pool of thought in noteworthy ways. The latter featured a laissez-faire approach to the philosophy, maintaining that nature would take such a course; that the worst elements of society would over time be eliminated. Such concepts, many argue, form the foundation of the Nazi program.

Modern eugenics, however, has as its basis the notion that careful planning by way of proper breeding is the best means to improving society; this is the ideology adopted by the Nazi Regime.

In the 1930’s in Germany, the rush to sequester and alleviate mental deficiencies was quickly interpreted to encompass malcontents and dissidents opposed to the Nazi regime. This vague theory gave way to the Nazi Sterilization Act, effective July 1933.2

Dr. Ernst Rudin, a leading and articulate authority in favor of the Sterilization Act, traveled in 1930 to Washington D.C. in order to present a paper called, “The Importance of Eugenics and Genetics in Mental Hygiene.” The paper was well-received in the United States, where many—especially among the moneyed elite—were cordial to German pseudo-science and pseudo-philosophy.

In late June 1933, German Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick convened a blue-ribbon committee on demographic and racial policy, during which he unraveled an ambitious program to evaluate “our ethnic body politic according to its genetic value.” Frick propagandized that the decay of das Volk was not attributable to an outside enemy, but, rather, to something within the people themselves. The materialism and lamentable moral decline of the Weimar Era had to be eradicated, and Weimar programs stopped. In reality, despite the crushing of the German economy by western business, the Weimar Republic constituted a vibrant culture and enjoyed relatively successful social programs. Among the programs to be stopped were birth control that reduced the Volk by encouraging a “two-child family system,” superfluous social welfare programs that wasted money on “hopeless clients,” and “sexual freedom [that promoted] the ‘mannish woman.’”3

Frick outlined the overbearing program to eradicate the bad and “select” the beneficial. Such issues were referred to scantily in the Nazi Party program but mostly ignored by the party press. During a party rally in 1929, Hitler commented on the topic, commenting that if, of one million newborns 10,000 of the least desirable died, it would result in a net gain for the Volk.

The engineers of the Nazi sterilization program looked to the U.S. as a model. A 1927 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, drafted by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, justified sterilization: In the wake of world war, when “the best of a generation of young men risked their lives for the nation,” Holmes reasoned, “it would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the state for these lesser sacrifices…in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence…Three generations of imbeciles are enough.” The Nazi sterilization program was initiated during a time when 28 American states as well as a number of European nations employed sterilization programs.

The magnitude of, not the ideas behind, the Nazi “ethnic improvement” schemes was what made them stand out. In the United States between 1907 and 1947, about 45, 127 people were sterilized (conservatively). In Germany, internationally respected eugenicist Friedrich Lenz calculated that 1 million feeble-minded Germans (in a population of 65 million) should be sterilized, whilst Agricultural minister Walter Darre called for ten times that many. Frick adapted his radio audience to the concepts by preparing them for a rate of one in five.

Beginning their eugenics programs on children, the Nazis, on July 14, 1933, passed the Law for the Prevention of Genetically Diseased Children. Leaders of the movement to eliminate “mental defectives” from the German Volk were lawyer Karl Binding and the psychiatrist Alfred Hoche, whose phrase “lebensunwertes Leben”—or “life unworthy of life”—became a popular, albeit chilling phrase.2

Sterilization was the preferred means of prevention, and was administered by special “hereditary health courts.” The Nazi euthanasia program was carried out by secret decries, for Hitler refused to seek a legal ruling, well-aware of such a programs illegal nature under the Weimar Constitution.

Between 1934 and 1945, so it is estimated, more than 400,000 people were sterilized as “life unworthy of life.”

The Nazi regime employed these measures in such a convoluted way—what Robert Jay Lifton terms “bureaucratic mystification”—as to make it nearly impossible for victims, their families and even those working within the system to know the vast nature of the euthanasia program.

In the United States, the Rockefellers—who had, among other endeavors, amassed a bustling oil empire—were also interested in the eugenics movement. In 1910, the Eugenics records Office was established, with grants bestowed unto it on behalf of—but certainly not only—John D. Rockefeller.

In 2009, a number of global crises give rise to a social climate in which talks of “global governance” receive little attention or analysis. The war on terror, global warming, swine flu and peak oil—no matter how contrived these phenomenon may be—create an opportunity for the most radical and disreputed of values to appear in the mainstream.

Right Side News points out that, while Holdren can be criticized for publicizing the aforementioned views and other likes it, because he preceded it by evoking other authorities, it cannot be entirely attributed to him. Holdren, according to Right Side News, escapes guilt by stating, “The impact of laws and policies on population size and growth has, until very recently, largely been ignored by the legal profession. The first comprehensive treatment of population law was that of the late Johnson C. Montgomery, an attorney who was president of Zero Population Growth, and whose ideas are the basis of much of the following discussion.”4

Right Side News best investigate precedents set in this nation’s legal history. On October 15, 1970, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO Act) became law. The RICO Act enabled law enforcement to charge persons or a group with racketeering; that is, committing multiple violations of certain varieties within a 10 year period. The purpose of the act was stated to be “the elimination of the infiltration of organized crime and racketeering into legitimate organizations operating in interstate commerce.” Holdren and his associates, an international ueberclass of about 6,000 individuals, are eligible for such proceedings. Each one of us, naturally, is aware of Nuremburg Trial precedents. The United States government is an organization operating in interstate commerce, as articulated by President Woodrow Wilson in the 1920’s when he said, “the business of America is business.”

During his Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren was asked about past scientific overstatements, and riposted, “The motivation for looking at the downside possibilities, the possibilities that can go wrong if things continue in a bad direction, is to motivate people to change direction. That was my intention at the time.”

Holdren, by the way, has pontificated that global warming could cause the deaths of 1 billion people by 2020. Also, that sea levels could rise by 13 feet by the end of this century, far exceeding even the most concerned, who place the level at 13 inches.

While introducing Holdren, Barack Obama promised that his administration was “ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology.”5

State directed sterilization breach two deeply rooted principles. One being the secular precept, enshrined in John Locke’s Second Treatise, that “every man has a property in his own person,” and the other the prohibition against any interference in reproduction, which Pope Pius XI forcefully restated in his 1930 Casti Cannubi.3

The Business of Genocide

The H1N1 virus has killed fewer than 500 people. The World Health Organization, nevertheless, declared a global pandemic: “The world is moving into the early days of its first influenza pandemic in the 21st century,” according to Dr. Margaret Chan, WHO director.6

It has been reported by the Washington Times, “children will be a key target population for a pandemic flu vaccine in the fall.” The students would be vaccinated in a three step program in a mass campaign paralleling that of efforts in the 1950’s against polio. Pregnant women, adults with chronic illnesses and health-workers would join children as the first in line. The federal government expects to receive approximately 100 million doses of vaccine by mid-October, assuming the current production, by only five companies, continues as planned. However vaccine for wide use, by about 120 million “especially vulnerable” people, will not be available until later in the fall.7

The Department of Homeland Security, moreover, issued in April a swine flu memo to some health care providers. “The Department of Justice has established legal federal authorities pertaining to the implementation of a quarantine and enforcement. Under approval from HHS, the Surgeon General has the authority to issue quarantines,” the memo states. Such authority is limited to diseases listed in presidential executive orders; President Bush, however, added new forms of influenza with the potential to cause pandemics in Executive Order 13375. Anyone violating a quarantine order can be punished by a $250,000 fine and a one-year prison term, according to CBS News.8

The Department of Homeland Security’s National Response Plan extinguishes the distinction between a civilian and national security emergency situation, what is effectively the end of Posse Comitatus.

Not only the United States, but rather many other countries have announced mandated vaccination programs. The French government, for example, has purchased 28 million vaccines for the country of 60 million +. The Former chairman of the British Medical Association has, also, called for mandatory vaccinations.

The US Secretary of Health and Human Sercices, Kathleen Sebelius, recently signed a decree granting vaccine makers total legal immunity from all lawsuits resulting from any new “Swine Flu” vaccine. The $7 billion US Government program to rush vaccines onto the market in time for the Fall flu season is being done devoid of normal safety testing. Swine Flur, H1N1, furthermore, has yet to be rigorously scientifically isolated, characterized and photographed with an electron microscope—the scientifically acknowledged procedure.9

Is the United States social climate such, that forced inoculations would not inspire internal dissent?

Created in 2002 by President Bush, NorthCom, the Pentagons Northern Command—with jurisdiction over the United States—has been running preparedness drills in the event of a flu pandemic for at least the past three years. Northcom, furthermore, was recently assigned its own fighting unit six months ago. The Army’s 3rd Infantry Divison 1st Brigade Combat Team spent much of the last five years battling in Iraq.10

Head of NorthCom General Victor Renuart, testifying in March, claimed the command center would provide “assistance in support of civil authorities” during an epidemic. Adding, “when requested and approved by the Secretary of Defense or directed by the President, federal military forces will contribute federal support.”

According to the General, NorthCom had prepared for a flu outbreak from Mexico. “Because Mexico is our neighbor and disasters do not respect national boundaries, we are focused on developing and improving procedures to respond to potentially catastrophic events such as pandemic influenza outbreak, mass exposure to dangerous chemicals and materials, and natural disasters.”

NorthCom also has a “private sector cell.”

“We have great participation from industry and from other organizations around the country,” the General testified.

One private sector group that has worked with the FBI and Homeland Security on pandemics is InfraGard, a group of more than 30,000 businesspeople who enjoy special access to confidential FBI Information and may be assigned special—even lethal—duties in times of an emergency.”

InfraGard wishes to be a player in pandemic response. “Utilization of their expertise will help local communities prepare for a possible pandemic event to ensure minimal disruption and quick recover,” one InfraGard press release stated.11

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CATHERINE AUSTIN FITTS: SWINE FLU: WHAT I BELIEVE


Swine Flu: What I Believe
Catherine, Daily Musings, Financial Permaculture and News & Commentary,
July 22, 2009 at 10:07 am


I believe one of the goals of the swine flu vaccine is depopulation. Perhaps it is the goal of a swine flu epidemic as well, whether bio-warfare or hype around a flu season.

These days, I keep remembering my sense of urgency leaving the Bush Administration in 1991. We had to do something to turn around the economy and gather real assets behind retirement plans and the social safety net. If not, Americans could find themselves deeply out on a limb. I felt my family and friends were in danger. They did not share my concern. They had a deep faith in the system.

As my efforts to find ways of reengineering government investment in communities failed to win political support, Washington and Wall Street moved forward with a debt bubble and globalization that was horrifying in its implications for humanity.

Overwhelmed by what was happening, I estimated the end result. My simple calculations guessed that we were going to achieve economic sustainability on Earth by depopulating down to a population of approximately 500 million people from our then current global population of 6 billion. I was a portfolio strategist used to looking at numbers from a very high level. Those around me could not fathom how all the different threads I was integrating could lead to such a conclusion. To me, we had to have radical change in how we governed resources or depopulate. It was a mathematical result.

A year later, in 1999, a very capable investment and portfolio strategist asked me if he could come have a private lunch with me in Washington. We sat in a posh restaurant across from the Capitol. He said quietly that he had calculated out where the derivatives and debt bubble combined with globalization were going. The only logical conclusion he could reach was that significant depopulation was going to occur. He said his estimates led to an approximate population of 500 million. I said very quietly, “that’s my estimate too.” I will never forget the look of sadness that crossed his face. I was amazed to find someone else who understood.

It turns out that we were not alone. Sir James Goldsmith had warned of the consequences of GATT in 1994. He described the process under way, involving the loss of land and livelihood for 3 billion people, “…This is the establishment against the rest of society.” Voices were rising around the planet as hardships exploded from global economic warfare and industrialization of agriculture.

As trillions of dollars were shifted out of America by legal and illegal means to reinvest in Asia and emerging markets and to build a global military empire, we left a sovereign nation economic model behind. Finally, the expense and corruption of empire resulted in bailouts of $12-14 trillion, delivering a new financial war chest to the people leading the financial engineering. Now we have exploding unemployment, an exploding federal deficit, an Inspector General for the TARP bailout program predicting that the ultimate bailout cost could rise to $23.7 trillion and a Congressional Budget Director who is concluding that we can no longer afford the social safety net.

That is, unless you change the actuarial assumptions in the budget – like life expectancy. Lowering immune systems and increasing toxicity levels combined with poor food, water and terrorizing stress will help do the trick. Review the history of vaccines rushed into production without proper testing and peer review - it is clear about the potential side effects. In addition, a plague can so frighten and help control people that they will accept the end of their current benefits (and the resulting implications to life expectancy) without objection. And a plague with proper planning can be highly profitable. Whatever the truth of what swine flu and related vaccines are, it can be used as a way to keep control in a situation that is quickly shifting out of control.

In short, an epidemic can be used to offset the inflation of capital with increasing deflation of the value and income of labor and continual demand destruction. It is a great deal of time and money spent on something that will not help build a real economy. The disinformation and control opportunities are profound. They keep the slow burn going. It is the next, meaner face of “the establishment against the rest of society.”

That’s what I believe. I am not an expert. I have no case worth presenting in a court of law. There are hundreds of hours of research on the swine flu and related vaccines that I have not done and I am not going to do. It is just what I believe, listening to the people I respect, and in no small part because if you map out all the financial ecosystems around the issue and people and incentives involved, it seems to me to be the logical conclusion.

Now, if this sounds ludicrous to you, it may be because you do not appreciate how dark the culture has become that is now in charge. Do you have any idea how impossibly frustrating it is to manage a highly centralized system in which the vast majority of people lack any responsibility to ensure that the whole thing works? Everyone wants their free lunch and there are no real markets or democracy to force accountability or a shared intelligence. Force works. Force has increasingly become the way to achieve most everything. Using force is a lot easier that living with rising risk and the costs of subsidizing an aging population.

So the question for you and me is “what do we do?” Are we going to take a vaccine? Are we going to allow our children to be vaccinated? Will we have a choice? How can we organize to make sure that we do? Is self-quarantine a practical option? How would we prepare for it?

What you believe is your responsibility. The time has come to build time into Summer schedules to research options, discuss them with those you trust and make informed decisions about what you believe and what actions you intend to take under a variety of scenarios.

I don’t have the answers yet. Somehow, I believe we can find them together. And while we do, let’s remember to pray for the love of humanity to be rekindled and nourished in each and every heart.
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1. 1 Greg Brooks-English

Jul 21st, 2009 at 4:34 am

I spoke with my wife about the possibility of a mass depopulation campaign and what we would have to do to avoid it considering our options. Do we sell our house and move into the countryside and live like hermits stockpiling provisions to wait for the day of deliverance?

These are such frightening things to contemplate for me.

Firstly, I think a mass depopulation campaign is highly improbable because of internet communication, text messaging, being able to make people aware quickly of what is happening. However, if I were head of any depopulation campaign (I get sick at the thought), the bioweapon would have to be slow acting, meaning it didn’t show symptoms for at least ten days, giving it time to spread far and wide. The designer would create the virus and a vaccine to counteract it. The vaccine would be HIGHLY desirable if you wanted to survive, and the vaccine would only be available to special sectors of the population, i.e. in 1st world nations, namely in the US and client regimes. Some vaccines would not work effectively, by design, and given to sensitive populations. The only way to avoid would be to either get the vaccine somehow or to isolate yourself from society so as not to be in contact with anyone to get it in the first place.

After my wife considered this, she said point-blank, “I think I’d just rather die.”

So what now? more at site of Catherine Austin Fitts Blog http://solari.com/blog/?p=3532

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Dr. Mercola: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed

"Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed," by Dr. Mercola
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 7:01 PM


http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/...et-Exposed.aspx

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed

By Dr. Mercola

According to Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, your children should be the first target for mass swine flu vaccinations when school starts this fall.

This is a ridiculous assumption for many reasons, not to mention extremely high risk.

In Australia, where the winter season has begun, Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon is reassuring parents the swine flu is no more dangerous than regular seasonal flu. "Most people, including children, will experience very mild symptoms and recover without any medical intervention," she said.[ii]

Sydney-based immunization specialist Robert Booy predicts swine flu might be fatal to about twice as many children in the coming year as regular influenza. Booy estimates 10-12 children could die from the H1N1 virus, compared with the five or six regular flu deaths seen among children in an average year in Australia.[iii]

“Cure the Disease, Kill the Patient”

Less than 100 children in the U.S. die each year from seasonal flu viruses.[iv] If we use Australia’s math, a very rough estimate would be another 100 children could potentially die of swine flu in the United States in the coming year.

If children are the first target group in the U.S. per Sebelius, that means we’re about to inject around 75 million children with a fast tracked vaccine containing novel adjuvants, including dangerous squalene, to prevent perhaps 100 deaths.

I’m not overlooking the tragedy of the loss of even one child to an illness like the H1N1 flu virus. But there can be no argument that unnecessary mass injection of millions of children with a vaccine containing an adjuvant known to cause a host of debilitating autoimmune diseases is a reckless, dangerous plan.

Why are Vaccinations Dangerous?

The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However, your body’s immune system is already designed to do this in response to organisms which invade your body naturally.

Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract – not through an injection.

These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a vaccine is injected into your body.

Your IgA immune system is your body’s first line of defense. Its job is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or even eliminating the need for activation of your body’s immune system.

When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune system is bypassed and your body’s immune system kicks into high gear in response to the vaccination.

Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health.

And as if Vaccines Weren’t Dangerous Enough on Their Own …

… imagine them turbocharged.

The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against.

Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual.

Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines.

Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines?

The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines.

The adjuvant? Squalene.

According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine,

“A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v]

Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

What Squalene Does to Rats

Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.[vi]

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.[vii]

The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.

What Squalene Does to Humans

Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii]

Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x]

The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP).

However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics:

“ … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene.”[xi]

According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

“… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii]

Post Vaccination Follow-Up Might as Well Be Non-Existent

There is virtually no science to support the safety of vaccine injections on your long-term health or the health of your children. Follow-up studies last on average about two weeks, and look only for glaring injuries and illnesses.

Autoimmune disorders like those seen in Gulf War Syndrome frequently take years to diagnose due to the vagueness of early symptoms. Complaints like headaches, fatigue and chronic aches and pains are symptoms of many different illnesses and diseases.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for vaccine purveyors and proponents to look seriously at the long-term health consequences of their vaccination campaigns.

What You Can Do to Protect Yourself and Your Family

Visit the National Vaccination Information Center (NVIC) site and join in the fight against mandatory swine flu vaccinations.

Educate yourself about influenza strains, vaccination risks, and the public health laws in your state that may require you or your children to undergo either mandatory vaccination or quarantine.

Take care of your health to reduce or eliminate your risk of contracting the flu. The key is to keep your immune system strong by following these guidelines:

Eliminate sugar and processed foods from your diet. Sugar consumption has an immediate, debilitating effect on your immune system.
Take a high quality source of animal-based omega 3 fats like Krill Oil. Exercise. Your immune system needs good circulation in order to perform at its best for you.
Optimize your vitamin D levels. Vitamin D deficiency is the likely cause of seasonal flu viruses. Getting an optimal level of vitamin D will help you fight infections of all kinds.
Get plenty of good quality sleep.
Deal with stress effectively. If you feel overwhelmed by stress, your body will not have the reserves it needs to fight infection.
Wash your hands. But not with an antibacterial soap. Use a pure, chemical-free soap.


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[i] USAToday.com, Swine flu shots may go to kids first, Sebelius says, June 16, 2009 http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-0...u-vaccine_N.htm [/i]

[i][ii] ABC.net.au, Health minister reassures parents over swine flu, July 2, 2009 http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/02/2614972.htm [/i]

[i][iii] Google News, AFP, Australia urges calm after child flu death, July 2, 2009, http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...J6Aoz8wSQiGyosg [/i]

[i][iv] Meryl Nass, M.D., July 4, 2009 http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2009/07...ong-kongus.html [/i]

[i][v] Meryl Nass, M.D., July 3, 2009 http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2009/07...-adjuvants.html [/i]

[i][vi] Rense.com, Vaccines, Autism, and Gulf War Syndrome, August 15, 2005 http://www.rense.com/general67/vacc.htm [/i]

[i][vii] The American Journal of Pathology, The Endogenous Adjuvant Squalene Can Induce a Chronic T-Cell-Mediated Arthritis in Rats, 2000 http://ajp.amjpathol.org/cgi/content/abstract/156/6/2057 [/i]

[i][viii] Vaccination Liberation, Adjuvant Index Page http://www.vaclib.org/basic/adjuvants.htm [/i]

[i][ix] Autoimmune Technologies, News Release: SQUALENE FOUND IN ANTHRAX VACCINE, http://www.autoimmune.com/SqualeneInVaccine.html [/i]

[i][x] Autoimmune Technologies, Gulf War Syndrome: ANTI-SQUALENE ANTIBODIES LINK GULF WAR SYNDROME TO ANTHRAX VACCINE http://www.autoimmune.com/GWSGen.html [/i]

[i][xi] ScienceDirect.com, Experimental and Molecular Pathology, Volume 68, Issue 1, February 2000, Pages 55-64 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...78532f0ab787c09 [/i]

[i][xii] Adverse Effects of Adjuvants in Vaccines, by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., 2000 http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html [/i]

graham4anything
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Jul 26 2009, 06:28 PM) *

CATHERINE AUSTIN FITTS: SWINE FLU: WHAT I BELIEVE


Swine Flu: What I Believe
Catherine, Daily Musings, Financial Permaculture and News & Commentary,
July 22, 2009 at 10:07 am


I believe one of the goals of the swine flu vaccine is depopulation. Perhaps it is the goal of a swine flu epidemic as well, whether bio-warfare or hype around a flu season.

These days, I keep remembering my sense of urgency leaving the Bush Administration in 1991. We had to do something to turn around the economy and gather real assets behind retirement plans and the social safety net. If not, Americans could find themselves deeply out on a limb. I felt my family and friends were in danger. They did not share my concern. They had a deep faith in the system.

As my efforts to find ways of reengineering government investment in communities failed to win political support, Washington and Wall Street moved forward with a debt bubble and globalization that was horrifying in its implications for humanity.

Overwhelmed by what was happening, I estimated the end result. My simple calculations guessed that we were going to achieve economic sustainability on Earth by depopulating down to a population of approximately 500 million people from our then current global population of 6 billion. I was a portfolio strategist used to looking at numbers from a very high level. Those around me could not fathom how all the different threads I was integrating could lead to such a conclusion. To me, we had to have radical change in how we governed resources or depopulate. It was a mathematical result.

A year later, in 1999, a very capable investment and portfolio strategist asked me if he could come have a private lunch with me in Washington. We sat in a posh restaurant across from the Capitol. He said quietly that he had calculated out where the derivatives and debt bubble combined with globalization were going. The only logical conclusion he could reach was that significant depopulation was going to occur. He said his estimates led to an approximate population of 500 million. I said very quietly, “that’s my estimate too.” I will never forget the look of sadness that crossed his face. I was amazed to find someone else who understood.

It turns out that we were not alone. Sir James Goldsmith had warned of the consequences of GATT in 1994. He described the process under way, involving the loss of land and livelihood for 3 billion people, “…This is the establishment against the rest of society.” Voices were rising around the planet as hardships exploded from global economic warfare and industrialization of agriculture.

As trillions of dollars were shifted out of America by legal and illegal means to reinvest in Asia and emerging markets and to build a global military empire, we left a sovereign nation economic model behind. Finally, the expense and corruption of empire resulted in bailouts of $12-14 trillion, delivering a new financial war chest to the people leading the financial engineering. Now we have exploding unemployment, an exploding federal deficit, an Inspector General for the TARP bailout program predicting that the ultimate bailout cost could rise to $23.7 trillion and a Congressional Budget Director who is concluding that we can no longer afford the social safety net.

That is, unless you change the actuarial assumptions in the budget – like life expectancy. Lowering immune systems and increasing toxicity levels combined with poor food, water and terrorizing stress will help do the trick. Review the history of vaccines rushed into production without proper testing and peer review - it is clear about the potential side effects. In addition, a plague can so frighten and help control people that they will accept the end of their current benefits (and the resulting implications to life expectancy) without objection. And a plague with proper planning can be highly profitable. Whatever the truth of what swine flu and related vaccines are, it can be used as a way to keep control in a situation that is quickly shifting out of control.

In short, an epidemic can be used to offset the inflation of capital with increasing deflation of the value and income of labor and continual demand destruction. It is a great deal of time and money spent on something that will not help build a real economy. The disinformation and control opportunities are profound. They keep the slow burn going. It is the next, meaner face of “the establishment against the rest of society.”

That’s what I believe. I am not an expert. I have no case worth presenting in a court of law. There are hundreds of hours of research on the swine flu and related vaccines that I have not done and I am not going to do. It is just what I believe, listening to the people I respect, and in no small part because if you map out all the financial ecosystems around the issue and people and incentives involved, it seems to me to be the logical conclusion.

Now, if this sounds ludicrous to you, it may be because you do not appreciate how dark the culture has become that is now in charge. Do you have any idea how impossibly frustrating it is to manage a highly centralized system in which the vast majority of people lack any responsibility to ensure that the whole thing works? Everyone wants their free lunch and there are no real markets or democracy to force accountability or a shared intelligence. Force works. Force has increasingly become the way to achieve most everything. Using force is a lot easier that living with rising risk and the costs of subsidizing an aging population.

So the question for you and me is “what do we do?” Are we going to take a vaccine? Are we going to allow our children to be vaccinated? Will we have a choice? How can we organize to make sure that we do? Is self-quarantine a practical option? How would we prepare for it?

What you believe is your responsibility. The time has come to build time into Summer schedules to research options, discuss them with those you trust and make informed decisions about what you believe and what actions you intend to take under a variety of scenarios.

I don’t have the answers yet. Somehow, I believe we can find them together. And while we do, let’s remember to pray for the love of humanity to be rekindled and nourished in each and every heart.
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1. 1 Greg Brooks-English

Jul 21st, 2009 at 4:34 am

I spoke with my wife about the possibility of a mass depopulation campaign and what we would have to do to avoid it considering our options. Do we sell our house and move into the countryside and live like hermits stockpiling provisions to wait for the day of deliverance?

These are such frightening things to contemplate for me.

Firstly, I think a mass depopulation campaign is highly improbable because of internet communication, text messaging, being able to make people aware quickly of what is happening. However, if I were head of any depopulation campaign (I get sick at the thought), the bioweapon would have to be slow acting, meaning it didn’t show symptoms for at least ten days, giving it time to spread far and wide. The designer would create the virus and a vaccine to counteract it. The vaccine would be HIGHLY desirable if you wanted to survive, and the vaccine would only be available to special sectors of the population, i.e. in 1st world nations, namely in the US and client regimes. Some vaccines would not work effectively, by design, and given to sensitive populations. The only way to avoid would be to either get the vaccine somehow or to isolate yourself from society so as not to be in contact with anyone to get it in the first place.

After my wife considered this, she said point-blank, “I think I’d just rather die.”

So what now? more at site of Catherine Austin Fitts Blog http://solari.com/blog/?p=3532




this proves what I have said then
the vaccine will save

if the above is true (or if not, either way), the flu is what will kill

only those with the vaccine(and/or prior immunity) will survive

with the vaccine one can insure who won't die
without the vaccine those especially in bad areas of the world will die far greater

And she gives the clue- make it slow going- like the flu itself, starts in Mexico, goes worldwide, takes months

whereas a bad vaccine will even if it takes 10 days, prove deadly too soon to eliminate those #s needed to eliminate
People will start dropping like flies before the vast majority of the world got a vaccine
That is the fatal flaw in saying the vaccine will be bad.

And never has a vaccine been proven bad. The first swine flu vaccine killed what,40? Those people might have been slated to die that day statistically
speaking anyhow. (or allergic to the ingredients).

My sleeve is rolled up, ready to go
Snuffysmith
Lawsuit filed charging WHO, the UN, USG and Obama with flu coverup as attempt at mass murder


Swine Flu Outbreak Or Bioterrorism And Intent To Commit Mass Murder?

Citizens are advised not to take the supposed vaccine for the Swine flu: Jane Burgermeister, an Austrian Investigative journalist, reportedly filed charges with the FBI in Austria on June 10, 2009 against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking members of the U.S. Federal government, including President Obama and corporate officials, concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder, just in time for the anticipated July release of Baxter's A/H1N1 flu vaccine -- though it remains to be seen whether the FBI will conduct an investigation or reveal more complicity in keeping heinous crimes covered up.

Burgermeister prepared an injunction against forced vaccination that is being filed in America. In April she filed charges against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, with allegations that this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a worldwide pandemic.

The rest at link: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109836

Snuffysmith
From this link: http://www.rense.com/general86/whdo.htm

WHO Will Be Killing You?
(WHO) - World Health Organization Facts & Rumors
7-25-9


1. An "informal" [e.g., illegal] clinical trial of the Avian Flu vaccine on about 200 Polish vagrants resulted in 11 immediate deaths and an additional set of 20 later deaths (approximately 15% of the test population). The doctors and nurses involved were charged with murder. (Fact. 2008)

2. Approximately 3500 Chinese children died in an Avian Flu vaccine experiment. (Rumor, 2008)

3. The Philippine High Court convicted WHO (The World Health Organization) of involuntarily sterilizing over 3 million Philippina women through the use of vaccines. (Fact)

4. The WHO in 1985 documented that one of its' primary goals for the use of a sterility vaccine disguised as a smallpox vaccine was to "eliminate 150 million excess Sub Saharan Africans". (Fact, 1985-ongoing)

5. The WHO 5-shot vaccine programs for tetanus in third world countries in South and Central America caused the involuntary sterilization of millions of women. (Fact, ongoing)

6. Monsanto's MON 810 corn causes sterility according to studies published by the Austrian Government. (Fact, 2009)

7. Monsanto's MON 810 corn contains the Cauliflower Mosaic Virus which, when ingested, lowers the bodies CD 4 cells to a point which, on immune tests, indicate that a person has HIV/AIDS. The lowered CD 4 cells results from eating GMO corn, the staple of the diet in many parts of Black Africa. MON 810 is grown in Europe for animal feed and in many places, including the US, around the world for human food. (Fact, ongoing)

8. Merck's Gardasil vaccine causes death, collapse and chronic illness in young woman and girls, including a new, never-before described "disease" called Juvenile ALS, a fatal condition in which the nervous system is slowly destroyed while consciousness remains unimpaired. This vaccine increases cervical cancer by 44.7% in women and girls who already have Human Papilloma Virus. Cervical Cancer is easily detected and cured in early stages and is not a major killer of women. Gardasil contains substances which may cause sterility in women receiving it and any protection lasts only a few years, so 9 year olds will probably not be sexually active by the time this protection has worn off. (Fact, ongoing)

9. Baxter International Inc. was in the process of applying for a contract to provide Avian Flu vaccines to European countries in the event of an Avian Flu epidemic. Its Austrian laboratory shipped Seasonal Flu vaccines to 18 countries in Europe. A laboratory technician tested the Baxter Seasonal Flu vaccines sent to the Czech Republic and discovered that they were contaminated with a highly pathogenic version of the Avian Flu, 72 Kilograms of it, although Level 3 precautions were in place and such contamination "could not have happened accidentally" according to experts in the field. No documentation of the destruction of this highly infective material has been provided although the Austrian Health Ministry insists that the deadly viral material was destroyed. (Fact, 2008, 2009)

10. A WHO investigation into the Baxter contaminated vaccine issue resulted in NO findings and in NO disciplinary actions. An Austrian investigation into the same events yielded the same results. (Fact, 2009)

11. Baxter has been rewarded with a lead role in developing, producing and disseminating the Swine Flu vaccine for the upcoming pandemic. (Fact, 2009)

12. Swine Flu was first identified to the public as a serious problem in April/May 2009 when 168 persons in Mexico were confirmed by CDC and WHO to have died from the Swine Flu. This number was later revised downward to only 16 deaths. (Fact, 2009)

13. It normally takes a minimum of 12 to 18 months to create a vaccine after a specific virus has been identified. (Fact)

14. The US Government has spent more than a billion dollars to develop and to make available the Swine flu vaccine for a disease which poses no significant health threat. (Fact, 2009)

15. The "Seed Culture" for the Swine Flu virus was provided to vaccine companies in May, 2009. Baxter International Inc. announced in June, 2009 that they would have their vaccine ready in July, 2009 . (Fact, 2009)

16. A WHO container of Swine Flu virus from Mexico City exploded on a passenger train in Luzon, Switzerland. All of the current Swiss cases of Swine Flu are from the area where the explosion took place. It is illegal to ship pathogenic viruses in this way. (Fact, 2009)

17. A significant number of virologists and other scientists are on record stating that the Swine Flu was created in a laboratory and could not evolve naturally. (Fact, 2009)

And it continues:

1. Canada, Sweden, Norway, France and other countries have announced intentions to vaccinate every man, woman and child. To do so, they are ordering 2 shots per person of untested, unsafe and unnecessary Swine Flu Vaccines from a variety of manufacturers. The US Departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services both stated in early 2009 that they would do so "beginning with those who want it". (Fact, 2009)

2. President Obama announced to the public shortly after his inauguration that every man, woman and child should receive the Avian Flu vaccine this fall along with seasonal flu shots this coming Fall. President Obama is on record saying that he believes that vaccinations should be mandatory. (Fact, 2009)

3. The United States has spent $714 Million GPS mapping every front door of every house and apartment in the country and listing who lives in each house or apartment under the direction of the White House. (Fact, 2009)

4. Many people have reported that they have received calls at home or at work from agencies of the US Government inquiring about the "number of unvaccinated children in the household". (Fact, 2009)

5. The United States, Norway, Sweden, Austria and other countries have announced that in case of a Swine Flu pandemic all health and security authority shall revert to teams and command centers run by the WHO. (Fact, 2009)

6. Every recent major event like 9/11, the Madrid bombings or the London bombings has been accompanied by a materially identical "training exercise" simulating the actual event involving, confusing and distracting the legitimate responders. (Fact, 2001-ongoing)

7. A major set of FEMA training exercises is scheduled for 27 July, 2009. (Fact, 2009)

jeffmoskin
You don't have to get your flu shot if you don't want to. They can't force you. And H1N1 is not particularly fatal.
amy
My son and husband had a bad case of the flu (not a cold but the flu) about 12 years ago. My son was very sick....105 fever.....delusional from the fever......terrible headache....then developed bronchitis.......he was out of school for 3 weeks, on doctor's advice. He fully recovered, as did my husband. My son received excellent care from his pediatrician and I was with him 24/7 when he was so ill with fever...making sure he was hydrated and cooled down with wet wash cloths. I was not working so I could keep him home from school to nurse him back to health. Now, the pediatrician told me that many children were going back to school too soon before they were fully recovered from the flu so he saw many who came down with pneumonia and other bacterial infections.
My point is this....many people can not afford (time wise) to get the flu....they work and they can't take time off to properly nurse sick members of their family or themselves. So, the flu shot is probably a good thing for those who can not stay home for the amount of time it takes to fully recover or if a medical condition warrants getting the vaccine. Also, more and more children go to school sick because their parents work which makes the spread of illnesses that much easier.

I'm not sure my son and I will get the swine flu shot ...I spoke to his doctor recently about it.....he said that no flu shot guarantees immunity from a form of the flu, but it could, so, it's not a bad idea......he stated that like all flu shots, we won't know how effective they are until people are vaccinated and see what happens. I asked him if my son did the swine flu shot should he also get the seasonal flu shot.....he said probably not both......maybe he's thinking about reactions and just too much too soon in the system. Sigh.....
When my husband gets the flu shot every year he doesn't feel well for a couple of days.....but he needs to get them because of medical problems....I worry about him and the swine flu shot....particularly when we don't know if the vaccine will be effective....
jeffmoskin
Well, I'm gonna get mine.

And then go have a ham sandwich.
graham4anything
QUOTE(jeffmoskin @ Jul 26 2009, 07:58 PM) *
Well, I'm gonna get mine.

And then go have a ham sandwich.


same here.
amy
Does anyone know why two shots of swine flu vaccine will be needed this year when only one was given in 1976? I've searched and can't find the answer. Btw, I got the 1976 swine flu shot and had no reaction.
graham4anything
QUOTE(amy @ Jul 26 2009, 08:39 PM) *
Does anyone know why two shots of swine flu vaccine will be needed this year when only one was given in 1976? I've searched and can't find the answer. Btw, I got the 1976 swine flu shot and had no reaction.


they do not know that yet, so the info is not yet out there officially

they also do not know how long between shots if there are going to be two

there still is a problem in that not enough vaccine will be available for everyone right off, last I read it will be Jan/Feb before vast majority would
have it

(this is on top of the normal flu shot...One article I read from the official health site said they are attempting to learn if you get the swine flu vaccine,
that it is possible the normal flu shot's (type A in that) will be close enough to theoretically not need a second swine flu shot
graham4anything
QUOTE(amy @ Jul 26 2009, 08:39 PM) *
Btw, I got the 1976 swine flu shot and had no reaction.


most people who got the 76 swine flu shot had no reaction

the actual # who did was very low % wise, and it was never proven there was a link between the vaccine and the reactions (statistically it did not prove there was)
Magmak1

Britain: Dozens fall victim to side effects of swine flu drug

The agency that licenses medicines in Britain has received 150 reports of suspected adverse reactions to the Tamiflu treatment for swine flu.

The figure was released yesterday as GPs said some patients were choosing not to take the drug because of concern about the possible side effects.

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said the 150 reports received within the UK up until 23 July mention 241 separate side effects, most of which were mild and already recognised as linked with the anti-viral drug.

They include "mild allergic and gastrointestinal events", such as diarrhoea and vomiting. There were five reports involving nine suspected adverse reactions to Relenza, the rival drug to Tamiflu which is taken by inhalation and is less widely used.

The MHRA has allocated a dedicated section of its website to receive reports of side effects to Tamiflu from doctors and the public, in order to spot any developing trends.

A spokesman said: "Obviously there are a lot more people taking Tamiflu and Relenza, so we set up a specific site people can go to to report any potential side effects so we can monitor its safety. A report of a reaction does not mean it has been caused by the drug in question n a mere suspicion will suffice. We are very keen to promote this. We want the public to know about it and use it."

One case of a suspected fatal reaction involving a patient who suffered liver failure after taking Tamiflu, was later attributed to hepatitis.

The MHRA said previous reports from outside the UK had suggested a link between Tamiflu and liver failure but none had shown a causal link.

"Hepatic adverse events remain under close monitoring," the spokesman said.

A second report of a fatal reaction was being investigated, he said.

Doctors said the number of adverse reaction reports was tiny in the context of the tens of thousands of patients who have been prescribed Tamiflu.

The Government estimated there were 100,000 new cases of swine flu last week.

The commonest side effects of Tamiflu are diarrhoea, nausea, stomach pain and vomiting. Reports from Japan, where Tamiflu has been widely used against seasonal flu, has linked the drug in rare instances with unusual neurological and psychiatric disturbances in children.

Doctors yesterday backed the advice of the Government's Chief Medical Officer, Sir Liam Donaldson, that patients with swine flu should be offered anti-viral drugs, but added that it was up to the patients whether they accepted them.

Richard Vautrey, a GP in Leeds, said that "In my experience, when patients are reassured about the likely pattern of their illness and the possible side effects of the [anti-viral] drugs, they decide they are better off not taking them."

Laurence Buckman, chairman of the British Medical Association's GPs committee, said: "Many GPs are aware of patients coming with adverse reactions to Tamiflu, including children. If you have a child with flu and then they get diarrhoea and vomiting and become confused where they weren't before, that upsets the parents and creates more work for the doctor. Where someone doesn't have an obvious need for Tamiflu, because they are healthy and have got swine flu mildly, you have to ask whether it is worth taking in this circumstance."

Dr Buckman said there was an urgent need for calm in the face of what one virologist had called "the weakest pandemic the world has ever seen."

"We must not underplay it, but we also must not overplay it as a medieval plague," Dr Buckman said.

Professor Terence Stephenson, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics said paediatricians were concerned that the NHS could be overwhelmed by patients who didn't really need help.

"If a third of the population get the virus and parents go to A&E with their children we will be inundated. For the vast majority this remains a mild illness. We want to have the resources to deal with children who need our help," he said.

Professor Stephen Field, chairman of the Royal College of General Practitioners, said: "We have got to try and get the message across that for most fit and healthy people, swine flu won't cause much harm."

- INDEPENDENT

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/artic...ref=emailfriend
Magmak1
August 1942: George Merck, president of the Merck & Co. pharmaceutical company, accepts the position as head of the newly-created War Research Service (WRS), the coordinating agency that joins government and private institution resources to carry out the US biological warfare program.
amy
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Jul 26 2009, 09:47 PM) *
Dr Buckman said there was an urgent need for calm in the face of what one virologist had called "the weakest pandemic the world has ever seen."

"We must not underplay it, but we also must not overplay it as a medieval plague," Dr Buckman said.


Well, that's a very sensible way of looking at it! clap.gif
Magmak1
See the excerpts from “Bioterror: Manufacturing Wars the American Way”, Edited by Ellen Ray and Willam H. Schaap here: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Weapons/Bioterror.html

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And then this:

Excerpts only:

“The WHO is planning for the production of 4.9 billion dose, enough to inoculate a large share of the World's population. Big Pharma including Baxter, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, Sanofi-Aventis and  AstraZeneca have signed procurement contracts with some 50 governments. (Reuters, July  16, 2009).

For these companies, compulsory vaccination is a highly lucrative undertaking: 

"The WHO has refused to release the Minutes of a key meeting of an advisory vaccine group "packed with executives from Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi" that recommended compulsory vaccinations in the USA, Europe and other countries against the artificial H1N1 "swine flu" virus this autumn.

In an email this morning, a WHO spokesperson claimed there are no Minutes of the meeting that took place on July 7th in which guidelines on the need for worldwide vaccinations that WH0 adopted this Monday were formulated and in which Baxter and other Pharma executives participated.

Under the International Health Regulations, WHO guidelines have a binding character on all of WHO's 194 signatory countries in the event of a pandemic emergency of the kind anticipated this autumn when the second more lethal wave of the H1N1 virus "which is bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu virus" emerges.

In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel." (Jane Burgermeister, WHO moves forward in secrecy to accomplish forced vaccination and population agenda,  Global Research, July 2009).

Snip

“According Brig. Gen. Robert Felderman, deputy director of USNORTHCOM’s Plans, Policy and Strategy Directorate: “USNORTHCOM is the global synchronizer – the global coordinator – for pandemic influenza across the combatant commands”(emphasis added) “


Martial Law and the Militarization of Public Health: The Worldwide H1N1 Flu Vaccination Program
by Michel Chossudovsky


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...a&aid=14543


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A meeting with no minutes? Do you mean like the one with Cheney and the oil companies that carved up Iraq and resulted in the deaths of ... well, go check on how many ... and the legislation like the USA PATRIOT ACT passed into law very rapidly without much actual reading or debate after a little anthrax was sprinkled into some envelopes?

Remember the TRIPOD exercises on 9/11? Thirty points and a free ride on the Staten Island if you can remember what TRIPOD stands for.

Or the fact that ciprofloxacin was given to the White House staff ...?

Or the history of Serratia marcesens in San Francisco?

Or the connections between Fort Detrick, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the death of that fellow Frank Olson? Among other sources, see http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd0828.html

Or the exercise entitled "Dark Winter"?

Or this?

""Helms sought Allen's approval for a major project 'to develop a capability in the covert use of biological and chemical materials, . . . . From the start . . . CIA officers made no pretense that this project would be an innocuous matter of pure science. The research would have to proceed 'without the establishment of formal contractual relations,' Helms advised Allen; the existence of signed contracts would reveal the government's sponsorship. Moreover, the scientists qualified to do research in this field 'are most reluctant to enter into signed agreements of any sort which connect them with this activity, since such a connection would jeopardize their professional reputations.'

". . . five years later a CIA audit justified the extraordinary secrecy of the project: 'Precautions must be taken not only to protect operations from exposure to enemy forces but also to conceal these activities from the American public in general. The knowledge that the Agency is engaging in unethical and illicit activities would have serious repercussions in political and diplomatic circles.' For years to come CIA auditors defended the absence of normal accountability on grounds of professional discretion within the scientific community, dubious legality, and the dangers of public disclosure. Neither Congress nor the president was informed. . . ." [Gentleman Spy: The Life of Allen Dulles, 1994]

or "“The spread of human, animal or crop disease can be made to look like an "act of God" with no one able to trace the perpetrator(s)… [15]”

or "DynCorp, a major government contractor for data processing, military operations and intelligence work, was awarded a $322 million contract to develop, produce and store vaccines for the Department of Defense. DynCorp and Hadron, both defense contractors connected to classified research programs on communicable diseases, have also been linked to a software program known as PROMIS, which may have helped identify and target the victims.”

-- --

“Currently, Ken Alibek [Kanatjan Alibekov, the no. 2 man in the former Soviet Union biowarfare program who defected to the US in 1992] is President of Hadron Advanced Biosystems, a subsidiary of Alexandria, Va.-based Hadron, Inc. Hadron describes itself as a company specializing in the development of technical solutions for the intelligence community. As chief scientist at Hadron, Alibek gave extensive testimony to the House Armed Services Committee about biological weapons on Oct. 20, 1999, and again on May 23, 2000. Hadron announced on Dec. 20 that as of that date, the company had received $12 million in funding for medical biodefense research from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the US Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, and the NIH. Hadron said it was working in the field of non-specific immunity.

In the 1980s Hadron was founded and headed by Dr. Earl Brian, a medical doctor and crony of Ronald Reagan and an associate of former Attorney General Edwin Meese. Brian was convicted in the 1980s on fraud charges. Both Hadron and Brian have been closely associated in court documents and numerous credible reports, confirmed since Sept. 11, with the theft of enhanced PROMIS software from its owner, the INSLAW Corporation. PROMIS is a highly sophisticated computer program capable of integrating a wide variety of databases. The software has reportedly been mated in recent years with artificial intelligence. PROMIS has long been known to have been modified by intelligence agencies with a back door that allows for surreptitious retrieval of stored data.”

-- --

“The entire process can also be turned around to develop a pathogen that will affect a broad class of people sharing a genetic marker. A broad class of people sharing a genetic marker could be a group such as a race, or people with brown eyes.”
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One company, DynCorp, handles data processing for many federal agencies, including the CDC, the Department of Agriculture, several branches of the Department of Justice, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the NIH. On Nov. 12 DynCorp announced that its subsidiary, DynPort Vaccine, had been awarded a $322 million contract to develop, produce, test, and store FDA licensed vaccines for use by the Defense Department…."

or "If avian flu becomes more than a threatened pandemic, it will have done so by political and economic design. This thesis is supported by current massive media misrepresentations, profiteering on risky and valueless vaccines, gross neglect of data evidencing earlier similar man-made plagues including SARS, West Nile Virus, AIDS and more; continuance of genetic studies breeding more mutant flu viruses likely to outbreak, inside trading scandals involving pandemic savvy White House and drug industry officials, curious immunity of these pharmaceutical entities over the past century to law enforcement and mainstream media scrutiny, and published official depopulation objectives. With the revelations and assertions advanced herein, the public is forewarned against this physician-assisted mass murder best termed “iatrogenocide.”* This genocidal imposition is expected to serve mainly economic and political depopulation objectives."

or "Ray Kurzweil and Bill Joy, in a New York Times Op-Ed entitled “Recipe for Destruction”, re-printed at this link: http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007641.php

“… the United States Department of Health and Human Services published the full genome of the 1918 influenza virus on the Internet in the GenBank database. This is extremely foolish. The genome is essentially the design of a weapon of mass destruction. No responsible scientist would advocate publishing precise designs for an atomic bomb, and in two ways revealing the sequence for the flu virus is even more dangerous.

First, it would be easier to create and release this highly destructive virus from the genetic data than it would be to build and detonate an atomic bomb given only its design, as you don't need rare raw materials like plutonium or enriched uranium. Synthesizing the virus from scratch would be difficult, but far from impossible. An easier approach would be to modify a conventional flu virus with the eight unique and now published genes of the 1918 killer virus."

graham4anything
on the other hand another scenerio more realistic is-
the Obama gov't knew a rogue person attempted to this from the last administratoin, and calmly is attempting to stop it by having vaccinations

the scare article above would actually only be feasible if there were troops stationed every single place in the world at exactly the same time
because if the scare article above were true, people are going to be dropping like flies quickly, statistically, some would drop immediately
and that would indeed stop anyone on line from getting it afterward
At best 1% would have it before it stopped

It defies belief in 2009
You would also need to have EVERY SINGLE CAREGIVER in the world be in on it
NOBODY would keep quiet and will they kill anyone not wanting to be in on it? Have thousands turned up dead in the industry already?

9/11 happened because VERY FEW PEOPLE KNEW about it, and the supposition is almost noone knew all the steps

TO FORCE every single person in every single nook and cranny in the nation to get a shot ALMOST ALL AT THE SAME EXACT TIME is also
impossible
too many arms held out each taking a minuite or so, each requiring name/address/etc.

not to mention- there is NO PROOF needed to get a shot, you normally fill a form out and hand it in- NO PROOF WHATSOEVER
if youstart proofing everyone you take more minutes away

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH MINUTES IN A YEAR to do this
not to mention not enough vaccine


It would seem to me, magmak1-the flu shot will be the equiv. of how the Jews put the blood of a goat or lamb on the door, and that night God killed the first born of all houses that did NOT have it. Therefore- those who get the vaccine-will be safe.


this scenerio does not pass the sniff test magmak1- it is impossible that it would be able to be coordinated
Much easier to make the flu itself be the trigger.

my sleeve is rolled up and ready

Do you think if 2009 modern communication were available in Nazi Germany- do you think the trains to the showers would have worked?
HELL NO
would have been stopped day one
I don't think they had people watching for conspiracies back then magmak1,now everyone is looking and watching and reporting
Snuffysmith
Martial Law and the Militarization of Public Health: The Worldwide H1N1 Flu Vaccination Program - by Michel Chossudovsky - 2009-07-26 The WHO is now claiming that "as many as 2 billion people could become infected over the next two years — nearly one-third of the world population."
Snuffysmith
HIN1 Pandemic: Mulitbillion Dollar bonanza for Big PharmaGlaxoSmithKline: A Swine Flu Windfall? - 2009-07-26
Snuffysmith
Vaccinations: Deadly Immunity "Government health agencies colluded with Big Pharma to hide the risks"- by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - 2009-07-23
Magmak1
Graham says that "You would also need to have EVERY SINGLE CAREGIVER in the world be in on it" but he apparently hasn't heard about the drills in 2007 which tested "drive-through inoculation" and which also resulted in the formation of local Medical Reserve Corps. [I was a member of a local MRC and I participated in such a real-time, walk-through drill and its earlier facilitated focus group session. Graham, you can join here: http://www.njmrc.nj.gov/hcpr/ ]

What Graham is talking about is “a vaccine distribution system that doesn’t rely on normal health care channels like doctor’s offices, clinics or hospitals”. "It will be just like going through a fast-food drive through only they leave with an inoculation instead of a burger. " "This is how we would vaccinate the entire population of Ventura County in 48 to 72 hours if necessary."

Can you tell me how many people were served in fast food chains in any 72-hour period this past year?

Graham says that the process would require requiring name/address/etc, but check the above links and know that the system has been tested so as to know how to avoid the bottle-necks.

Furthermore, the already-noted Main Core system as well as the business community, are already in place and at work.

"InfraGard, a group of more than 30,000 businesspeople who enjoy special access to confidential FBI Information and may be assigned special—even lethal—duties in times of an emergency.”

InfraGard wishes to be a player in pandemic response. “Utilization of their expertise will help local communities prepare for a possible pandemic event to ensure minimal disruption and quick recover,” one InfraGard press release stated."

To read more about Main Core, try these links:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=2590

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core

"Main Core is the code name of a database maintained since the 1980s by the federal government of the United States, which contains personal and financial data of millions of U.S. citizens believed to be threats to national security.[1] The data, which come from the NSA, FBI, CIA, and other sources,[2] are collected and stored without warrants or court orders.[3] The database's name derives from the fact that it contains "copies of the 'main core' or essence of each item of intelligence information on Americans produced by the FBI and the other agencies of the U.S. intelligence community."[4]

The Main Core database is believed to have originated with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in 1982, following Ronald Reagan's Continuity of Operations plan outlined in the National Security Directive (NSD) 69 / National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 55, entitled "Enduring National Leadership," implemented on September 14, 1982.[5]

As of 2008 there are reportedly eight million Americans listed in the database as possible threats,[6] often for trivial reasons,[7] whom the government may choose to track, question, or detain in a time of crisis.[8]

The existence of the database was first reported on in May 2008 by Christopher Ketcham and in July 2008 by Tim Shorrock.[9]"



Main Core, PROMIS and the Shadow Government - Part One
Main Core, PROMIS and the Shadow Government - Part Two
Main Core, PROMIS and the Shadow Government - Part Three
Main Core, PROMIS and the Shadow Government - Part Four aMain Core, PROMIS and the Shadow Government (Pt. 4b) or

just go to http://www.opednews.com/articles/Main-Core...090722-998.html
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So much for the problem with names and addresses...

It's a computer thing, so Google for the role play by IBM in the Final Solution.


Graham says that "now everyone is looking and watching and reporting"... Yes, I agree; see the many articles I've already posted.

Eugene Elander commented under Ed Encho's article that "If matters are really as dire as Ed Encho asserts, one would think that the oligarchs and other forces of evil would have had him eliminated long ago. The very fact that he is free to make his allegations indicates that they are much overstated. And overstatement hurts his case, just as much as understatement would. All of which is too bad, as he certainly raises serious issues, which need thorough, real, objective analysis. Paranoia is not a substitute for such analysis."

Ed Encho responded "Everything in this series is documentable and a bit of paranoia is a pretty damned healthy response in the sad remnants of America known as Der Homeland. As for your comment about my not being snuffed I am nobody, not worth the bother, just a cry in the wilderness, another discordant voice lost in the cacaphony of ignorance, shame and brutality of the post 9/11 fascist state.

So my friend thank you for commenting but I would warn about taking the things that I speak of lightly."



Graham says "this scenario does not pass the sniff test magmak1", but it seems, based on the links, articles and more that are available, there are more than a few people concerned about or doing the research on the matter.

How many are working on the thought that Tim Russert was rubbed out?
graham4anything

the vaccines are coming now in 6 weeks or so...
tell me, how will they know it was Joe Blow or John Blow who rolled up their sleeve, and how will they get the other one to come in and get their shot?

and this won't be a "drive through" scenerio. This will be done in towns like any other.
Line up and one at a time
In town halls, in supermarkets, whereever an individual town gives the normal ones

I don't see any way to make everyone get it

you are talking a good movie, a scary one, however, I just don't see it
And if only 1/2 is available and then say 10% more a month going forward, most people will not be given it for weeks afterward, let alone a second one.

scenerio doesn't work
just because there is a playbook, does not mean the formation and then the pass is going to be caught. Same here.

and your scenerio is small scale- there are nowhere near enough people to do that in every nook and cranny

Maybe another country, but here the USA is too big

the article I posted on Texas shows, tens of thousands won't leave
and then there are the gun nuts

and then there are the ones allergic to vaccines made with eggs

this is so far fetched that it distracts from the problem at hand- that is a new flu, regardless if manmade or natural, one that will kill more people
than a bad vaccine


remember Cuckoo's nest? How many patients didn't take the medicine when it was given? not everyone took it

and first sign something is not Kosher here, there will be all out uprising
because precisely that you are talking someone's kids
then what?
Snuffysmith
QUOTE(Magmak1 @ Jul 27 2009, 06:27 PM) *
Graham says "this scenario does not pass the sniff test magmak1", but it seems, based on the links, articles and more that are available, there are more than a few people concerned about or doing the research on the matter.

How many are working on the thought that Tim Russert was rubbed out?


Mag - I agree with you and rushing through a vaccine without adequate testing is equally suspicious. FOR A REASON.

As for Tim Russert - I doubt it, knowing the family. And Tim died the same way my late husband died. I blame
his doctor to be quite honest: No catheterization or angiogram. And its interesting, I know a number of people in DC
who go to the same physician and were with me at Tim's wake, kind of wondering about the adquacy of the medical
care they were receiving.
Snuffysmith
Startling New Evidence That The 'Swine Flu' Pandemic Is Man-Made


Novartis Patent Detailed And Mass Murder Charged
By A. True Ott, PhD, ND
7-26-9


Murder suspects are either convicted or acquitted at trial based on the prosecution's presentation of EVIDENCE which usually hinges on MOTIVE, OPPORTUNITY, and TIME-LINES combined with physical documents. To gather such hard evidence, detectives and/or federal agents often spend months following leads and interviewing witnesses. In the trial phase, re-creating the sequence of events is essential. I submit this paper will provide more than enough hard evidence to at least result in a series of criminal indictments of charges of MASS MURDER, and CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT WORLD GENOCIDE against Novartis Pharmaceutical principals and agents and others.

PRIMARY MOTIVE

The Primary Motive behind this alleged criminal activity is also the primary cause of most murders in the world today, and that motivation is simply: BIG MONEY. Billions of Dollars of windfall profits from government contracts worldwide, as a matter of fact.
I will provide evidence that will show that Novartis Pharmaceuticals of Basel, Switzerland has conspired with corrupt "scientists" at the U.S. Army Institute of Pathology ­ Ft. Detrick, Maryland, to create a "novel" strain of weaponized "influenza" virus by means of "reverse engineering" the deadly 1918 killer strain ­ which strain was maliciously and surreptitiously released upon the world in March and April of 2009 for the primary purpose of creating a panic-stricken world-wide demand for Novartis vaccine material.


The evidence will also clearly show that the Novartis vaccine material is in reality designed to facilitate the further mutation of the pandemic into more lethal waves of increasingly virulent and deadly disease, rather than to curtail and limit the existing outbreak. The evidence will show that Novartis is willingly being used, (and extremely well-paid) to facilitate the edicts of the global elite's Club of Rome; which edicts clearly call for a massive and sudden depopulation of certain segments of the earth's human population.

PRIMARY EVIDENCE

To realize such windfall profits on an engineered, global flu pandemic, detailed covert planning must take place of course.
Patents protecting the proprietary flu vaccine must be applied for and secured before the pandemic virus is released in order to minimize the competition and maximize the profit potentials. In a biological attack of this nature, timing is extremely critical.
Indeed, the evidence is clear ­ Novartis applied for just such a patent on Nov. 4, 2005, and the U.S. Patent Office accepted this application and granted US 20090047353A1 for a "Split Influenza Vaccine with Adjuvants" on February 19, 2009. (See bottom of page).


With this patent now secured, the conspirators were now free to create the demand for their "novel" split influenza vaccine by releasing a "novel" split-influenza (combining multiple viruses) pandemic virus from a weapons lab test-tube into unsuspecting human hosts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9061703271.html

The so-called "Swine Flu" grabbing headlines today is actually a recombinant, or "split-influenza" virus consisting of A-strain Bird-Flu (H5N1), Swine Flu (H1N1) and multiple strains of human flu (H3N2). Likewise, the 1918 Killer Flu that killed untold millions of people was a recombinant or "split-influenza" virus composed of Bird flu, Swine Flu, and multiple strains of human flu.

CRIMINAL TIMELINE

The criminal timeline begins in 1997, when Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger assembled a team of geneticists and microbiologists to analyze the genome structure, and then to REPRODUCE (i.e. reverse engineer) what is arguably one of the most deadly viral structures the world has ever been cursed with ­ the 1918 killer flu virus. According to numerous published stories and reports, Taubenberger and his team utilized super-computers to map the complex RNA and DNA structures of the killer virus, then utilized human plasmids to successfully re-create the 1918 killer. Taubenberger completed his work in early 2005, then immediately left the employ of the U.S. Army at Ft. Detrick to take a much more lucrative position with the National Institutes of Health. His new focus was to create a VACCINE against the very same 1918 killer flu that he and his team had, just months earlier, successfully "reverse engineered" and created.

This researcher is very confident that a focused criminal investigation would likely reveal prima facia evidence that Taubenberger was in reality working for Novartis while employed with the N.I.H. ­ and was quite likely the primary author of Novartis' Nov. 6, 2005 "provisional" patent application. On page 2, paragraph 32 of the patent publication we read, quote: "The influenza virus [that the 'invention vaccine' is designed to protect against] may be a reassortant strain, and may have been obtained by reverse genetics techniques. Reverse genetics techniques allow influenza viruses with desired genome segments to be prepared in vitro using plasmids." The remnant of the paragraph then goes into very specific detail as to the actual mechanics of how the pandemic virus was actually created by Taubenberger's Ft. Detrick team. At the very least, the author of the patent application had to have studied Taubenberger's various published reports on his work at Detrick, for the wording and science is virtually verbatim.

Furthermore, this paragraph is even more damning by the words "may have been obtained". Who "obtained" this virus and for what reason was it "obtained"? Keep in mind the CDC and HHS would have Americans believe that the pandemic viral outbreak is totally a "natural" occurrence ­ if so then how could Novartis have such an incredible advance knowledge to the point of developing a vaccine with such absolutely PERFECT TIMING???

WHO EXACTLY IS "NOVARTIS"??

Novartis International AG is simply the world's largest, multi-national pharmaceutical company with over $53 Billion USD revenue generated in 2008. It's headquarters is located in Basel, Switzerland, home of the vaunted "Swiss Guards" who provide all security measures for the Vatican and the Club of Rome. The company logo symbolizes the "eternal flame" of the Illuminati "enlightened ones". Dig into Novartis International AG's long history, and one finds that it began as a component of the infamous I.G. Farben combine, which in turn was primarily responsible for the rise of Adolph Hitler and the German/Austrian Third Reich.

Dig a bit deeper and you find that Novartis also wholly owns a company called Sandoz ­ which was the inventor of LSD and other strong hallucinogenic "truth" drugs, and was the supplier of LSD to the CIA allowing them to scale new heights with their covert "MK ULTRA" mind control experiments. Documents released to U.S. Congressional investigators in 1977 show that Sandoz Labs had arranged for certain Nazi scientists to gain new identities in Allen Dulles' CIA at the conclusion of WWII. This was accomplished under a secret extraction program called "Operation Paper Clip".

The address listed on the Novartis Patent applications is a P.O. Box in Emeryville, California. Up until the summer of 2005, this Emeryville California address belonged to Chiron Inc. ­ the world's second-largest INFLUENZA VACCINE MANUFACTURER. Chiron was doing very well, with reported sales of $357 million in fiscal 2002. Chiron's sales nearly doubled, peaking at a whopping $678 million in 2003 ­ and it was mostly due to the marketing and sale of FLU VACCINE CONTRACTS to the federal government. Novartis, which owned much of Chiron's stock, was very pleased, until disaster struck in 2004 --- the entire year's stock of flu vaccine was found to be contaminated and was condemned.

Stock values plummeted on the news. With the stock at a historic low, Novartis quickly purchased the remainder of Chiron's stock and began immediately to work on the massive "novel pandemic flu" vaccine that they somehow knew would soon have worldwide demand ­ especially if they controlled the exclusive patent they could effectively "corner the pandemic flu vaccine market"!!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...p;type=business

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