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Snuffysmith
Will Obama 'change' Bush's war doctrine?

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Livyjr
He hasn't so far ...
Magmak1
Geesh, guys, he's only just won the Peace Prize and only been in office for nine months .... that baby is due anytime now.

Oh, wait, contractions are increasing now... Oh, my, false alarm. Put the car back in the garage, Fred.
Livyjr
The operative question all across the candid world now is what will a war-mongering American president wear when he goes to Oslo to get his PEACE prize ....

And so ...
rla
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 16 2009, 01:35 PM) *
Will Obama 'change' Bush's war doctrine?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10880...ctionid=3510203


Obama has changed the tone of US policy...I anticipate some substantitive changes on the margins but I don't think he will confront the War Machine that dominate the total culture directly during his first term if he can avoid doing so.
rla
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 16 2009, 02:16 PM) *
The operative question all across the candid world now is what will a war-mongering American president wear when he goes to Oslo to get his PEACE prize ....

And so ...


I recommend that he wear a lion cloth...
rla
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 16 2009, 02:33 PM) *
QUOTE(Snuffysmith @ Oct 16 2009, 01:35 PM) *
Will Obama 'change' Bush's war doctrine?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10880...ctionid=3510203


Obama has changed the tone of US policy...I anticipate some substantitive changes on the margins but I don't think he will confront the War Machine that dominate the total culture directly during his first term if he can avoid doing so.


What does Obama really believe about war and peace? How much obligation does he owe the Jewish arms industry?
heart
The Jewish arms industry? What is that?

Obama campaigned on winning the war in Afghanistan. That's dumb if you ask me, but it is what he said he would do.

He wanted out of Iraq, and that's happening slowly but surely.

He said he would close gitmo but that's going slower....it's still going through though.

I expect him to do what he said he was going to do during the campaign and that's all I can ask.
graham4anything
Obama won the war is over and life is great

if people volunteer, they get what they get

as America is free, you can't stop people from doing what they want, so they are no concern of mine
Livyjr
QUOTE(heart @ Oct 17 2009, 03:28 PM) *
I expect him to do what he said he was going to do during the campaign and that's all I can ask.

It always amazes me to listen to "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE" ....

Some fast talker goes on a "campaign" and says a lot of stupid stuff, and then, people expect the person to actually do all of that stupid stuff when they elect the person ....

If Obama said he was going to toss the Constitution in the trash, the American people would be cheering him on ....

Just as they are cheering on his stupidity in Afghanistnam because he promised when he was a candidate that with respect to Afghanistnam, he intended to act stupid ....

It is increadible that 300 million people all delegate authority over their lives to a callow youth who has made them a bunch of stupid promises ...

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 17 2009, 04:57 PM) *
if people volunteer, they get what they get

I volunteered to go to Viet Nam, graham, because of you, as did many other people who volunteered to go there ...

In fact, there was a rallying cry around you back then ....

Yes, graham ....

We all thought that the Viet Cong were going to come over here to take away your freedom to live large and in charge and to enjoy yourself over here ....

Nobody wanted to see you stripped of your right to enjoy yourself, so we all volunteered to go to Viet Nam to find the dude that thought he could come over here to attack you ....

I of course, got shot up some protecting you over there, but hey ....

That is what I volunteered for ....

So as you say, I get what I get ....

And in the end, it would have likely been that way, anyway ....

So it is what it is ....

And that is the way that it is ....

And so ...
graham4anything
this is 2009

as the song goes

that was "Another place, another time"

there was only one more important issue back then, that was "all men are created equal"

in 2009, there are too many issues of importance thanks to the last 46 years since JFK was killed by CIA
rla
QUOTE(heart @ Oct 17 2009, 04:28 PM) *
The Jewish arms industry? What is that?

Obama campaigned on winning the war in Afghanistan. That's dumb if you ask me, but it is what he said he would do.

He wanted out of Iraq, and that's happening slowly but surely.

He said he would close gitmo but that's going slower....it's still going through though.

I expect him to do what he said he was going to do during the campaign and that's all I can ask.


Some of Obama's major financial backers are Jewish and involved in producing military equipment...
heart
Most of them are not Jewish and are producing something! What does he owe to the diamond industry? The Lox and Bagels Delis? Accountants of America? How about the Pickles makers? Gefilte Fish (nah, that's not made here is it). I think it takes a lot of big producers supporting you before you get to be president, but tell me, who these Jewish Military equipment people are? Louis Farakhan supports Obama too, does that mean he is beholden to him and his crew? The Arab American Institute and asupport Obama too and some of them are terririst, haven't you heard they are trying to take over the government by getting interns into congresspeople's offices?

Here rla: You just need to sign up....if you can't answer the questions just ask me and I'll give you all the info you want. You gotta get a handle on all this stuff. You need to know what we are "really" up to, which is just about everything everyone else is up to, but we do it a tiny bit better because otherwise we go to Jewish Hell.....since we're not big on prisons and the death penalty (being very Liberal/progressive in nature as a whole), that is sort of like getting your membership card cut up and you have to be poor for some unspecified period of time. Although, much to my chagrin, they won't tell you why they sent you to Jewish Hell...if they did, I might have an excuse. cool.gif

Magmak1
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 17 2009, 08:57 PM) *
Obama won the war is over and life is great

if people volunteer, they get what they get

as America is free, you can't stop people from doing what they want, so they are no concern of mine



Obama won, we still have hundreds of thousands of men and women deployed at hundreds of bases around the globe. "The military of the United States is deployed in more than 150 countries around the world, with more than 369,000 of its 1,379,551 active-duty troops serving outside the United States and its territories." ["... the establishment and maintenance of standing armies breeds fear, is destructive to liberty, and should be viewed as a scourge to a country instead of a benefit". ] ["... if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be damped. If you lay siege to a town [to say nothing of a country], you will exhaust your strength... if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain."] Somewhere there is one of those meters that tells us how much the costs of war are, and how fast they mount up. But there is no national health care plan, and this time for the first time in history, there is no COLA for those who subsist on Social Security. And life is great for them; Walmart has those cans of Spam and sardines for those poor suckers. But Goldman Sachs got there gold by sacking the nation's treasury; life is good.

... and there's still plenty of rainforest left in the Amazon to be cleared so we have more burgers (though there's an indigenous culture down to its last five folk). Praise Allah no one's lost the recipe for cheesecake yet.

The infrastructure is crumbling, states are in such bad financial shape there are secession movements in formation, and our children's children will still be paying the taxes to cover the bailout of a small percentage of fat cats. Life is great (if you're a fat cat inside the establishment).

If people volunteer, they get what they get, including some mysterious illness the Pentagon will deny or ignore, a serious case of PTSD, and perhaps even a missing arm or leg, a cardboard life-partner to share with their children, and a 10% coupon at Lowe's for the next DIY project... probably building a handicap ramp, or a PTSD "rubber room".

Or they can volunteer in their community if they can squeeze out some extra time after their second shift or on the four days of the week they don't have to report to unemployment.

America is free, and you can't stop people from doing what they want, unless you think it best to make a personal choice not to inject yourself with squalene and mercury, or unless they're making at a statement at the G-20 meetings in which case the armor-clad RoboCops will grab you, force you to your knees, and make you kneel before them in humiliation as they snap a photo, or unless the people get out of line en masse in which case we can simply sign a piece of paper to shut down the Constitution. We have entire Iraq War veteran divisions standing by in case we need them, or perhaps the boys from one of those private military contractor corporation which engage in gang rape, crack-stuff potato snacking, and other liquid enterprise can break off their fun and games long enough to come by and bust some heads.
heart
Exactly MAG! Exactly!

Americans are exceptional, and I can even lay out why that is as good as DeTouquville, but Americans are also arrogant, ethnocentric and self-absorbed, seeing ourselves in the mirror and concluding we are all good.

I love my country, and I want to be proud of it, but it, like all other countries has to come to terms with its dark side too.
rla
QUOTE(heart @ Oct 23 2009, 12:36 AM) *
Exactly MAG! Exactly!

Americans are exceptional, and I can even lay out why that is as good as DeTouquville, but Americans are also arrogant, ethnocentric and self-absorbed, seeing ourselves in the mirror and concluding we are all good.

I love my country, and I want to be proud of it, but it, like all other countries has to come to terms with its dark side too.


Yes, every person and every country has a good me and a bad me...
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