QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 10:21 AM) 
Do you deny that you are an Organism?
Notwithstanding that the electro-magneic spectrum is a continuum, my vibrational pattern is quite distinct and unique, rla ....
Hence, I exist ....
And so ...
Full Version: Neuroanthropology (brain ~ culture)
Notwithstanding that the electro-magneic spectrum is a continuum, my vibrational pattern is quite distinct and unique, rla ....
Hence, I exist ....
And so ...
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 24 2009, 02:12 PM)
Having said that, it's hard to imagine how software could precede hardware, but we can't disprove a plane or realm of existence where software can live without hardware.
billfmsd is stuck in DUALISM, rla ...
Not me ...
And so ...
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 24 2009, 02:12 PM)
Having said that, it's hard to imagine how software could precede hardware, but we can't disprove a plane or realm of existence where software can live without hardware.
It is ridiculous to think that hardware was developed in isolation from software and independent of the development of software ....
And so ...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 01:26 PM)
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 10:21 AM)
Do you deny that you are an Organism?
I'll have to think about that, rla ....
I might ....
And in any event, you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that I am an organism of any type of kind ...
I know that I live surrounded by living creatures, and I never think of them as "organisms" ....
And so far as I can discern, they don't think of themselves as "organisms", either ....
A chipmunk is a chipmunk, rla, not an organism ....
I asked them about that just this morning in fact ...
As for me, I think of organisms in the public health sense as those things in the environment that are inimical to man's health ....
In that sense, many, many people are in fact organisms ....
Parasites and saprophites .....
And disease carriers ....
And so ...
Both Language and Science proceeds by constructing Taxonomies...the evolution of language in levels of abstraction by domains of application provides a record of the evolution of the human species which allows the human organism to organize a system for making meaning from one's behavior and experience... It is not just an incidental fact that chipmunks are chipmunks, at one level of abstraction, while also being organisms, at a more highly organized level of abstraction. This propensity to engage in Languaging is what sets the human species
apart from other species...The number of levels and domains an individual person perceives/conceptualizes a
given experience provides an index of that person's level of understanding of that time/space intersect.
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 01:12 PM)
It is not just an incidental fact that chipmunks are chipmunks, at one level of abstraction, while also being organisms, at a more highly organized level of abstraction.
I'll tell you what, rla ....
If chipmunks ever decided that they wanted to be meat-eaters, life would sure be hell up here for me, anyway ....
They would be like piranhas on land ....
They tell me I am lucky they don't consider me to be a food source for them .....
Soooo ....
On how many levels are they conceptualizing?
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 01:12 PM)
Both Language and Science proceeds by constructing Taxonomies...
Versus Occam's razor ....
And so ...
I pretty much quit the ranks of western science back in or around 1975, rla ....
Or rather, I found it stultifying and quite limited ...
In or around 1980, I did a paper on the CHURCH OF SCIENCE in America as I called it ....
A CHURCH with a doctrine and dogma and most importantly, a hierarchical clergy to enforce its will on anyone who might wish to join it, and especially on heretics like me ....
Popes and cardinals and bishops and monsignors and priests ....
You would have been at least a priest, rla, albeit a rebellious one, perhaps ....
Maybe you could have gotten up to monsignor ....
You are probably too rebellious to have become a bishop ....
But you did not become a heretic ....
An unbeliever in that taxonomy $*** .....
And so ...
Or rather, I found it stultifying and quite limited ...
In or around 1980, I did a paper on the CHURCH OF SCIENCE in America as I called it ....
A CHURCH with a doctrine and dogma and most importantly, a hierarchical clergy to enforce its will on anyone who might wish to join it, and especially on heretics like me ....
Popes and cardinals and bishops and monsignors and priests ....
You would have been at least a priest, rla, albeit a rebellious one, perhaps ....
Maybe you could have gotten up to monsignor ....
You are probably too rebellious to have become a bishop ....
But you did not become a heretic ....
An unbeliever in that taxonomy $*** .....
And so ...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 24 2009, 02:12 PM)
Having said that, it's hard to imagine how software could precede hardware, but we can't disprove a plane or realm of existence where software can live without hardware.
It is ridiculous to think that hardware was developed in isolation from software and independent of the development of software ....
And so ...
During the late 70's my dirt bike ridding buddy was working on a Master's Degree in computer science...He had been an electronic technician in the Air Force, before going to college and had learned to work on main line
computers before the days of personal computers. One of the big advantages he had over his cohort group in the
computer science department was that he was conversant in, "Machine Language" prior to learning the different
programing languages that were popular at the time. There is a machine language, then an operating system of
soft ware and then the actual software programs that the machine runs on the operating system...This is all beyond
my level of competence...it suggest to me, however, that the distinction between, "Hardware" and, "Software" is
not absolute--just as the distinction between brain and culture is not absolute...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 02:19 PM)
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 01:12 PM)
It is not just an incidental fact that chipmunks are chipmunks, at one level of abstraction, while also being organisms, at a more highly organized level of abstraction.
I'll tell you what, rla ....
If chipmunks ever decided that they wanted to be meat-eaters, life would sure be hell up here for me, anyway ....
They would be like piranhas on land ....
They tell me I am lucky they don't consider me to be a food source for them .....
Soooo ....
On how many levels are they conceptualizing?
And so ...
Less than your average huminoid...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 02:21 PM)
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 01:12 PM)
Both Language and Science proceeds by constructing Taxonomies...
Versus Occam's razor ....
And so ...
An effective Occam's razor is an essential tool for the process of constructing first, taxonomies and then theories...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 02:28 PM)
I pretty much quit the ranks of western science back in or around 1975, rla ....
Or rather, I found it stultifying and quite limited ...
In or around 1980, I did a paper on the CHURCH OF SCIENCE in America as I called it ....
A CHURCH with a doctrine and dogma and most importantly, a hierarchical clergy to enforce its will on anyone who might wish to join it, and especially on heretics like me ....
Popes and cardinals and bishops and monsignors and priests ....
You would have been at least a priest, rla, albeit a rebellious one, perhaps ....
Maybe you could have gotten up to monsignor ....
You are probably too rebellious to have become a bishop ....
But you did not become a heretic ....
An unbeliever in that taxonomy $*** .....
And so ...
Or rather, I found it stultifying and quite limited ...
In or around 1980, I did a paper on the CHURCH OF SCIENCE in America as I called it ....
A CHURCH with a doctrine and dogma and most importantly, a hierarchical clergy to enforce its will on anyone who might wish to join it, and especially on heretics like me ....
Popes and cardinals and bishops and monsignors and priests ....
You would have been at least a priest, rla, albeit a rebellious one, perhaps ....
Maybe you could have gotten up to monsignor ....
You are probably too rebellious to have become a bishop ....
But you did not become a heretic ....
An unbeliever in that taxonomy $*** .....
And so ...
1975 is the year I joined a University-based Research & Training Center, with a view of reforming the system from
within, after being frustrated trying to reform the system as a Practitioner, then a teacher of practitioners and
then an Administrator of Teachers of Practitioners...Usually the system-as-a-whole influences the elements added to it more than the individual elements are able to influence the system-as-a-whole...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 01:33 PM)
....it suggest to me, however, that the distinction between, "Hardware" and, "Software" is not absolute--just as the distinction between brain and culture is not absolute...
Thanks for that dissertation, rla ....
It serves to shed more light on the subject ....
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 01:51 PM)
Usually the system-as-a-whole influences the elements added to it more than the individual elements are able to influence the system-as-a-whole...
AMEN, rla ....
In or about 1980, I came to the realizaion that reform from within was not going to happen ....
There is just too much inertia ....
The system is not intended to actually solve problems ....
That would end the gravy train ...
The system is intended to perpetuate the system ....
So there never really will be answers or solutions, just the usual "WE NEED MORE STUDY" ....
And if you can't join that chorus, rla, the CHURCH can be a very rough place for you to be in ....
And so ...
The construction of a brain in nature (especially the development of "Image-in-ation") could not have come about from randomality (pure chance). Or at least such a proposition would require a credulousness that would make the most devoted toad idolater smug.
So apparently what could be deemed "software" clearly was present before Nature (hardware?) and certainly before Man.
Just my opinion.
So apparently what could be deemed "software" clearly was present before Nature (hardware?) and certainly before Man.
Just my opinion.
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 02:01 PM)
So apparently what could be deemed "software" clearly was present before Nature (hardware?) and certainly before Man.
I'll share that opinion ...
Of course that raises the question. Just where did this "software" come from? Clearly it had to come from "someone(s)" who had experience with both software and hardware before.
Before what? There we are, standing at the shore of a vast ocean of unanswered questions. Questions fantasy and science fiction writers delve into regularly and String Theorists are just begining to explore, to the chagrin of the rest of the scientific community.
Just my opinion.
Before what? There we are, standing at the shore of a vast ocean of unanswered questions. Questions fantasy and science fiction writers delve into regularly and String Theorists are just begining to explore, to the chagrin of the rest of the scientific community.
Just my opinion.
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 02:12 PM)
Before what?
Before you were here, TROU, where were you?
Have you ever not been, if you can remember?
Do you recall any holes or gaps in your existence?
And so ...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 01:15 PM)
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 02:12 PM)
Before what?
Before you were here, TROU, where were you?
Have you ever not been, if you can remember?
Do you recall any holes or gaps in your existence?
And so ...
Across the sea of dreams I have glimpsed myself in other lives at other times. In fact I have come to suspect that many scenarios (not all) and "people" we encounter in our dreams may be reflections of memories beyond the boundaries of this life and body and therefore beyond the memories stored in our present brain.
The great Sci-Fi Fantasy writer Piers Anthony obliquely explores this notion in his novels "Isle of Woman" and "Shame of Man". In it one of his main characters (who we encounter across a broad spectrum of time from the animal like to the sophisticated modern) has dreams involving characters the reader knows were his past existences. Interesting.
Just some thoughts.
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 02:01 PM)
So apparently what could be deemed "software" clearly was present before Nature (hardware?) and certainly before Man.
I'll share that opinion ...
It is the dualism in our language system that is creating the two sides of this issue...
It is an erroneous assumption to assume a dychotomy between, "Hardware" and "Software"
and then ignore the fact that we arbitrarily split the two ends of this continumn into two different realities and
then arbitrarily demanded that we say which one came first...
And this is also the nature of the so-called mind-body problem in philosophy and psychology...
just take a deep breath and say O N E very slowly...
Have you read Parcival, TROU?
Have you ever not been, rla?
If you can recall, anyway ....
Will you ever not be, do you think?
If so, where will you go that is inaccessible to the rest of us?
And so ...
If you can recall, anyway ....
Will you ever not be, do you think?
If so, where will you go that is inaccessible to the rest of us?
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 02:44 PM)
just take a deep breath and say O N E very slowly...
I thought it was supposed to be AUM, rla ....
At least that is what I seem to remember some guru or swami or maharishi saying it was supposed to be ....
And the Beatles said that as well, I think ....
They went to Katmandu, you know, so they would probabaly know as much as anybody about it ...
And so ...
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 03:01 PM)
The construction of a brain in nature (especially the development of "Image-in-ation") could not have come about from randomality (pure chance). Or at least such a proposition would require a credulousness that would make the most devoted toad idolater smug.
So apparently what could be deemed "software" clearly was present before Nature (hardware?) and certainly before Man.
Just my opinion.
So apparently what could be deemed "software" clearly was present before Nature (hardware?) and certainly before Man.
Just my opinion.
This perspective is widely shared in the population. I personally think it is based on a lack of carefull consideration of the concepts, "random selection" and. "pure chance." The selection process is carried in the context of, "Nature."
Nature = Intelligent Universe...
At a point in human development, well into the development of language, humanoids constructed the word, "Intelligence" to describe the patterns they observed in the unfolding of natural processes through systematic
observation which they later called science...the selection process in evolution is an iterative process...
If your present brain was not "there" (wherever you were) then those memories are not accessible from that brain. That is why many people wake up having had a vivid detailed dream only to lose it a few moments later. The memories fade fast because we didn't fully encounter them with our physical brain so they were not locked in. The transition from dream state to waking state sometimes (not always) involves a transition from the incorporeal to the flesh.
Clearly we store those memories in "something". I call that "thing" the Mind. When we practice through meditation to access our Mind and not just our physical brain presumably we will have access to those memories we do not have access to normally.
Just my opinion.
Clearly we store those memories in "something". I call that "thing" the Mind. When we practice through meditation to access our Mind and not just our physical brain presumably we will have access to those memories we do not have access to normally.
Just my opinion.
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 03:03 PM)
If your present brain was not "there" (wherever you were) then those memories are not accessible from that brain.
My memories are stored in large part in my DNA and RNA ....
The brain is for other things ....
There are COMMAND functions ....
And there are CONTROL functions ....
And they don't originate in the brain ....
And so ...
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 03:03 PM)
Clearly we store those memories in "something".
Memories, like experience itself, are vibrational patterns, TROU ....
Where are vibrational patterns stored?
And how?
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 03:58 PM)
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 02:44 PM)
just take a deep breath and say O N E very slowly...
I thought it was supposed to be AUM, rla ....
At least that is what I seem to remember some guru or swami or maharishi saying it was supposed to be ....
And the Beatles said that as well, I think ....
They went to Katmandu, you know, so they would probabaly know as much as anybody about it ...
And so ...
Herbert Benson, in his little book, The Relaxation Response describes several experiments where he demonstrated that O N E worked as well or better than any of the Eastern Schools of Thought.
I used wisdom, strength and peace myself, rla ....
Out of that, perhaps ONE-ness comes ....
Or unification ....
And so ...
Out of that, perhaps ONE-ness comes ....
Or unification ....
And so ...
Over and over, rla ....
GRANT ME WISDOM ....
GRANT ME STRENGTH ....
GRANT ME PEACE ....
Over and over ....
Exclude all else ...
And so ...
GRANT ME WISDOM ....
GRANT ME STRENGTH ....
GRANT ME PEACE ....
Over and over ....
Exclude all else ...
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 03:16 PM)
Herbert Benson, in his little book, The Relaxation Response describes several experiments where he demonstrated that O N E worked as well or better than any of the Eastern Schools of Thought.
Was he ever in Katmandu, do you know?
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 03:16 PM)
Herbert Benson, in his little book, The Relaxation Response describes several experiments where he demonstrated that O N E worked as well or better than any of the Eastern Schools of Thought.
It's interesting to hear what these book-writing dudes have to say about things, rla, but to be truthful, it is at least as interesting to hear what you yourself have to say about it in your own words ....
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 01:44 PM)
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 02:01 PM)
So apparently what could be deemed "software" clearly was present before Nature (hardware?) and certainly before Man.
I'll share that opinion ...
It is the dualism in our language system that is creating the two sides of this issue...
It is an erroneous assumption to assume a dychotomy between, "Hardware" and "Software"
and then ignore the fact that we arbitrarily split the two ends of this continumn into two different realities and
then arbitrarily demanded that we say which one came first...
And this is also the nature of the so-called mind-body problem in philosophy and psychology...
just take a deep breath and say O N E very slowly...
I agree it is a false dichotomy. But you can attribute it (culturally or philosophically) as far back as Zoroastrianism if not further. Black and white, good and evil, etc... But it is a way of beginning to think about supposed opposites. We live in the tension between opposites. In this world we do anyway. I agree that there is more nuance necessary to "Grok" fully and the concept of "ONE" needs more exploration.
However, it can be "not one-not two" you know.
But with all that said. The question in this thread involves some of these concepts. It is important I think to acknowledge the nature of our consciousness as regards "Brain-centered" or "Culture centered". Therefore into that discussion "Mind-Centered" (and what that means) needs to be addressed. My proposition is that the Mind molds and controls the brain. That doesn't mean that experience (Culture) doesn't affect the brain, but that it is through the reactions of the Mind that the (physical) effect on the malleable brain is effected. Again that doesn't mean that a physical defect of purely(?) physical origin doesn't affect functioning. It does. But only that there are more than one source of effect. And I'm including the Mind as one source.
Just some further thoughts.
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 03:55 PM)
Have you ever not been, rla?
If you can recall, anyway ....
Will you ever not be, do you think?
If so, where will you go that is inaccessible to the rest of us?
And so ...
If you can recall, anyway ....
Will you ever not be, do you think?
If so, where will you go that is inaccessible to the rest of us?
And so ...
Human beings, of which I am one, have the capacity for being human from birth(including the DNA programming one brings along and the conditioning that occured during the neonatal stage) to death (including the impact they had on the human gene pool and culture). There wasn't an RLA before I was born and there won't be one after I'm dead...
Do you have any myths, rla?
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 03:24 PM)
But you can attribute it (culturally or philosophically) as far back as Zoroastrianism if not further.
Black and white, good and evil, etc...
Black and white, good and evil, etc...
Zoroastrianism was concerned with the TRUTH and the LIE, TROU ...
Out of that, perhaps, you can get good versus evil ....
But those are simply value judgments attached to one or the other or both, not absolute quantities ....
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 03:24 PM)
There wasn't an RLA before I was born and there won't be one after I'm dead...
Of course there was, rla ....
And of course there will be ....
Anything else would be an impossibility ....
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, but rla is forever ...
And so ...
If I could take a leap right now out into space some seventy-odd light years, rla, I could watch you being born right as it was actually happening, and then I could leap back here and tell you all about it ....
And so ...
And a hundred or a thousand years from now, you will still be out there, rla ....
TIME IS A CONTINUUM ....
It don't have gaps in it ....
If you have been here, then there is no time when you can't be here ....
It is not logical ....
The only issue is locating you specifically out of the immensity ....
And so ...
And so ...
And a hundred or a thousand years from now, you will still be out there, rla ....
TIME IS A CONTINUUM ....
It don't have gaps in it ....
If you have been here, then there is no time when you can't be here ....
It is not logical ....
The only issue is locating you specifically out of the immensity ....
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 02:33 PM)
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 24 2009, 02:12 PM)
Having said that, it's hard to imagine how software could precede hardware, but we can't disprove a plane or realm of existence where software can live without hardware.
It is ridiculous to think that hardware was developed in isolation from software and independent of the development of software ....
And so ...
During the late 70's my dirt bike ridding buddy was working on a Master's Degree in computer science...He had been an electronic technician in the Air Force, before going to college and had learned to work on main line
computers before the days of personal computers. One of the big advantages he had over his cohort group in the
computer science department was that he was conversant in, "Machine Language" prior to learning the different
programing languages that were popular at the time. There is a machine language, then an operating system of
soft ware and then the actual software programs that the machine runs on the operating system...This is all beyond
my level of competence...it suggest to me, however, that the distinction between, "Hardware" and, "Software" is
not absolute--just as the distinction between brain and culture is not absolute...
The main difference between hardware and software is that hardware is physical and software is virtual. I use to think that media was the overlap, but I've since learned that it's not. The more I probed into media science, the more I found clear distinctions. Media is hardware and content is software. Just like natural science is hardware, social science (culture) is software. I see no overlap. Although behavior-altering drugs (hardware) are used in social science, I still see no overlap. Behavior-altering chemicals (hardware) isn't the same as behavior programming suggestions or commands (software.) A behavior altering drug in computer terms would be something like reconfiguring the hardware and counseling would be reprogramming the software.
I'm not disagreeing with your premise that there is some overlap between hardware and software. I just can't see it. To me the brain is obviously hardware, and the mind (information, content, ideas, memories, etc.) is obviously software. Epigenetics is probably the closest thing to overlapping hardware and software in nature. But if I'm not mistaken, the overlap between DNA and how it's interpreted is still an unexplained phenomena.
Interesting discussion. But I have to make this body keep throwing all my crap in box after box or I'm never going to get this moving done. See ya later. (I hope). I'm not in a 35 or 45 or even a 55 year old body anymore in this life. I may have to rent some bodies that are though.
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE(TheRestofUs @ Oct 25 2009, 03:24 PM)
But you can attribute it (culturally or philosophically) as far back as Zoroastrianism if not further.
Black and white, good and evil, etc...
Black and white, good and evil, etc...
Zoroastrianism was concerned with the TRUTH and the LIE, TROU ...
Out of that, perhaps, you can get good versus evil ....
But those are simply value judgments attached to one or the other or both, not absolute quantities ....
And so ...
Livyjr, are you suggesting that Truth and Lie are absolutes?
Having been, rla ....
You now are ....
And so ...
You now are ....
And so ...
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 03:45 PM)
Livyjr, are you suggesting that Truth and Lie are absolutes?
I'm not sure, rla, although I would tend toward an affirmative answer ....
The truth is solid ground to a wayfarer ....
The lie is quicksand ....
Both of those are absolutes .....
What is not absolute is what you do with either ....
Good and evil, on the other hand are value judgments ....
If you got your @$$ stuck in quicksand and couldn't ge back out, you might call it evil ....
I might on the other hand label it as mere stupidity on your part ....
And you could call that evil, too ....
But to me, it would be the truth, irregardless ....
And so ...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 24 2009, 02:12 PM)
Having said that, it's hard to imagine how software could precede hardware, but we can't disprove a plane or realm of existence where software can live without hardware.
billfmsd is stuck in DUALISM, rla ...
Not me ...
And so ...
I'm not stuck. My understanding is not dualistic. There are infinite levels of hardware and infinite levels of software. I just cant see any overlap between the two. The concept of software and the concept of hardware mix like oil and water.
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 25 2009, 03:40 PM)
But if I'm not mistaken, machine language is still pure software.
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 23 2009, 04:38 PM)
THE NEW YORK TIMES
"Complex and Hidden Brain in Gut Makes Stomachaches and Butterflies"
By SANDRA BLAKESLEE
Published: January 23, 1996
As life evolved, animals needed a more complex brain for finding food and sex and so developed a central nervous system.
But the gut's nervous system was too important to put inside the newborn head with long connections going down to the body, Dr. Wingate said.
Offspring need to eat and digest food at birth.
Therefore, nature seems to have preserved the enteric nervous system as an independent circuit inside higher animals.
It is only loosely connected to the central nervous system and can mostly function alone, without instructions from topside.
This is indeed the picture seen by developmental biologists.
A clump of tissue called the neural crest forms early in embryogenesis, Dr. Gershon said.
One section turns into the central nervous system.
Another piece migrates to become the enteric nervous system.
Only later are the two nervous systems connected via a cable called the vagus nerve.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...752C0A960958260
"Complex and Hidden Brain in Gut Makes Stomachaches and Butterflies"
By SANDRA BLAKESLEE
Published: January 23, 1996
As life evolved, animals needed a more complex brain for finding food and sex and so developed a central nervous system.
But the gut's nervous system was too important to put inside the newborn head with long connections going down to the body, Dr. Wingate said.
Offspring need to eat and digest food at birth.
Therefore, nature seems to have preserved the enteric nervous system as an independent circuit inside higher animals.
It is only loosely connected to the central nervous system and can mostly function alone, without instructions from topside.
This is indeed the picture seen by developmental biologists.
A clump of tissue called the neural crest forms early in embryogenesis, Dr. Gershon said.
One section turns into the central nervous system.
Another piece migrates to become the enteric nervous system.
Only later are the two nervous systems connected via a cable called the vagus nerve.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...752C0A960958260
Machine language tells something to wake up and start functioning ....
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 25 2009, 04:03 PM)
I'm not stuck.
Of course you are, billfmsd ....
But we still love you nonetheless ....
And so ...
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 25 2009, 04:03 PM)
I just cant see any overlap between the two.
See what I am saying ....
And so ...
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 25 2009, 05:03 PM)
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 24 2009, 02:12 PM)
Having said that, it's hard to imagine how software could precede hardware, but we can't disprove a plane or realm of existence where software can live without hardware.
billfmsd is stuck in DUALISM, rla ...
Not me ...
And so ...
I'm not stuck. My understanding is not dualistic. There are infinite levels of hardware and infinite levels of software. I just cant see any overlap between the two. The concept of software and the concept of hardware mix like oil and water.
I got stuck in your link to epigenetics. I think this might be a usefull concept but I got confused. After my catarac
surgery, maybe I can read better...
Time for me to go feed the horses. Get back with you guys later...
Enjoy, rla ....
And we miss you ...
Hurry back ...
And we miss you ...
Hurry back ...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 05:03 PM)
QUOTE(rla @ Oct 25 2009, 03:45 PM)
Livyjr, are you suggesting that Truth and Lie are absolutes?
I'm not sure, rla, although I would tend toward an affirmative answer ....
The truth is solid ground to a wayfarer ....
The lie is quicksand ....
Both of those are absolutes .....
What is not absolute is what you do with either ....
Good and evil, on the other hand are value judgments ....
If you got your @$$ stuck in quicksand and couldn't ge back out, you might call it evil ....
I might on the other hand label it as mere stupidity on your part ....
And you could call that evil, too ....
But to me, it would be the truth, irregardless ....
And so ...
Everything that is, is relative...The truth value of any statement is its probability of being correct...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Oct 25 2009, 05:17 PM)
QUOTE(billfmsd @ Oct 25 2009, 04:03 PM)
I just cant see any overlap between the two.
See what I am saying ....
And so ...
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