graham4anything
Oct 31 2009, 02:56 PM
If you are a woman, a black, an Hispanic
you don't got a home in the Republican party
what fools
Remember the Whigs, the republicans have signed their own demise quicker than anyone expected in the 23rd today.
heart
Oct 31 2009, 05:36 PM
What did they do G? I haven't seen?
graham4anything
Oct 31 2009, 09:47 PM
they forced THEIR candidate in NY-23 TO suspend her campaign, on the last weekend of it (and early votes already in).
The independence 3rd party candidate is an ultra-righting conservative
Him and the lady republican (in a mostly always republican district) were splitting the vote, and the democrat was looking to win.
the moderate repubs in the party backed her
but the far right loons backed the 3rd party including Michael Steele
she is out, though she is NOT supporting the 3rd party guy
She is telling her voters to do whatever
Was she literally threatened with physical violence from the loons?
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 06:15 AM
I don't care what happens to the REPUBLICANS, graham ....
As far as I am concerned they are merely a lunatic fringe out there ....
I am not one of them ....
I don't support them in any way .....
I treat every lever on their line in a voting booth as if it were a poisonous snake ....
When they are dismantled and gone, I surely won't mourn .....
Just as I won't when the other LUNATIC FRINGE party in America is similarly demised ....
GOOD-BYE, GIDDY NANCY PELOSI ....
And so ...
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 06:17 AM
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 31 2009, 09:47 PM)

Was she literally threatened with physical violence from the loons?
It is indeed quite possible that she was physically threatened by DEMOCRATS, graham, now that you mention it ....
That IS their style, afterall, up this way ....
Of course, she also could have been threatened by REPUBLICANS .....
And so ...
graham4anything
Nov 1 2009, 06:28 AM
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 1 2009, 08:17 AM)

QUOTE(graham4anything @ Oct 31 2009, 09:47 PM)

Was she literally threatened with physical violence from the loons?
It is indeed quite possible that she was physically threatened by DEMOCRATS, graham, now that you mention it ....
That IS their style, afterall, up this way ....
Of course, she also could have been threatened by REPUBLICANS .....
And so ...
dems had no reason to threaten
she was splitting votes away from her own party which is why the repubs forced her out
(much like Nader screwed Gore)
I think we are now, since Lieberman used Bush's help to defeat Lamont, going to see 3rd party challenges that are not what they seem
speaking of tools, these 3rd party are NOT running on their ideas, but running with insider help, making them tools
It's not like Joe Nobody from the block saying I am going to run for the good of America
No siree,,,they are running to cause mischief
and its going to be right/left/center
not true patriots
the whole system is indeed broke
and there is never going to be a fix it.
but this was republican/conservative done
and the odditty is- it does NOT insure the independent(phony) is going to win
and this is HEAVILY REPUBLICAN AREA, and the man in office for the last 30 years WAS A REPUBLICAN
so a republican winning or this conservative republican, will NOT be a major surprise
(same as Virginia, Virginia is almost always repub)
they should vote all lowly senators/house/assembly out
start over again with people who uphold their oath to work with the president for their country
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 06:36 AM
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 1 2009, 06:28 AM)

start over again with people who uphold their oath to work with the president for their country
THERE IS NO OATH IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT ....
THAT OATH IS IN EITHER COMMUNIST OR FASCIST NATIONS ....
In the United States of America, the president takes an oath to TAKE CARE that the laws passed by Congress are faithfully executed ....
WHEN CAN WE EXPECT OBAMA TO START ADHERING TO THAT OATH, PRAY TELL?
And so ...
graham4anything
Nov 1 2009, 08:31 AM
when can we expect Congress to get off their assses?
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 03:47 PM
QUOTE(graham4anything @ Nov 1 2009, 08:31 AM)

when can we expect Congress to get off their assses?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
graham, you crack me right up ....
HO HO HO HO HO HO HO ......
That sure was a good one, too ....
I think the answer is NEVER ....
And so ....
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 04:00 PM
"Fury prods candidate from race"
By FRED LEBRUN COMMENTARY
Albany, New York Times Union
First published in print: Sunday, November 1, 2009
It was a shocker to see Republican Dede Scozzafava pull the plug at the last minute on her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District seat vacated by John McHugh to become secretary of the Army.
Shocking, but not surprising.
Her numbers among potential voters have been sinking in the past couple of weeks, while those of her two opponents, Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman and Democrat Bill Owen, have been climbing.
According to the latest Siena poll of voters, Owen, at 36 percent, and Hoffman, at 35, are in a dead heat.
Scozzafava, the region's assemblywoman, dropped to 20 percent.
More significantly, money had dried up for Scozzafava.
The trend, with only a few days left in the race, sealed the deal.
Dropping out made sense.
Painful sense, but sense.
While Scozzafava is taking one for the party by clearing the field for Hoffman, her name remains on Tuesday's ballot.
She released her supporters so they could donate and work for anyone else if they wished, but she did not tell them not to vote for her.
Good for her.
It has to be galling to the nth degree to be a lifelong, faithful Republican and then to get chased off the ballot.
Marginalized because she is cast as not Republican enough by high-profile outsider conservatives who have hijacked this contest and made a major national issue of it.
What constitutes a good Republican has been imperiously redefined.
That is, deep right or not at all.
Moderates, line up against the wall.
Scozzafava was ripped apart in a savage advertising campaign.
And the mud stuck.
Constituents who have known her for years began turning their backs, and here we are.
This has been an intensely Republican district since the 1870s, so it seems that with Scozzafava backing off, Hoffman should be a shoo-in.
Ah, but beware of the shoo-in label.
It doesn't always fit.
John McHugh was re-elected from this district by more than 60 percent of the vote every time out, and he was almost the same kind of Republican as Scozzafava.
Moderate, a Rockefeller Republican, and not afraid to buck the more conservative elements of his party.
McHugh championed progressive action on acid rain and climate change issues, for instance, during the Bush administration, when the party line denied climate change altogether.
If it were McHugh running again, he would have been easily re-elected.
The point here is that the natural scale of Republicanism in this North Country district, when you factor in colleges in Plattsburgh, Canton, Oswego, Potsdam and elsewhere, and past voting patterns, is moderate.
Not deep right.
They went for Obama, for goodness sake.
So there's no such thing as a shoo-in here.
Remember, Jim Tedisco should have been a shoo-in down here in the 20th Congressional District special election a scant six months ago.
But an intensely negative campaign lambasting his opponent, Scott Murphy, backfired.
As in the contest up north, the national big boys and girls took over the reins of the local campaign.
It was disastrous for Tedisco.
We'll know soon enough how an intensely negative campaign, abetted by nightly haranguing on national talk radio, and the intrusion of the likes of the former Alaska governor and vice presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, plays out in the 23rd.
After the voters have their say.
Oh, them.
My sense is while the highly vocal cadre that supports Hoffman seems determined, there is a soft middle of undecideds who won't make up their mind until Tuesday.
Now that Dede has stepped back, that soft middle is mighty big in my view.
How voters feel about being played for pawns on a national chessboard by those whose agendas have nothing to do with issues in the district has yet to be weighed where it counts.
And then there's the possible whiplash effect of too much negative advertising jarring local sensibilities.
That was the lesson of the Tedisco race.
Then again, we might be getting a whole new set of lessons from this race that will do nothing to quell negative advertising in the future.
National Democrats are not unmindful of opportunity here as a result of all these conservative high jinks.
They've poured money and talent into the Owen campaign.
Even Vice President Joe Biden was making a last-minute pass through the district for Owen, a corporate lawyer from Plattsburgh.
Hoffman, a Lake Placid businessman, doesn't live in the district and won't be able to vote in this race, has his own big-name visitors.
When he met recently with The Watertown Times editorial board, he was accompanied by Dick Armey of Texas, a former House majority leader.
Hoffman reportedly became flustered and objected to the heated questioning at the session.
Armey sprang to his defense, dismissing regional concerns as "parochial" issues that wouldn't determine the course of the election.
A mind-boggling corruption of Tip O'Neill's truism that all politics is local.
Sadly enough, considering the undeserved pounding Dede Scozzafava took while few came to her defense, and now her exit from the campaign, Armey may be right.
It would be nice to think the voters will set him straight.
Contact Fred LeBrun at 454-5453 or by e-mail at flebrun@timesunion.com.
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 04:03 PM
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 1 2009, 04:00 PM)

National Democrats are not unmindful of opportunity here as a result of all these conservative high jinks.
They've poured money and talent into the Owen campaign.
Even Vice President Joe Biden was making a last-minute pass through the district for Owen, a corporate lawyer from Plattsburgh.
I SEE THEIR TRUE COLORS SHINING THROUGH, graham ....
The DEMOCRATS are backing a CORPORATE LAWYER in the 23rd CD ....
And so ...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 1 2009, 05:03 PM)

QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 1 2009, 04:00 PM)

National Democrats are not unmindful of opportunity here as a result of all these conservative high jinks.
They've poured money and talent into the Owen campaign.
Even Vice President Joe Biden was making a last-minute pass through the district for Owen, a corporate lawyer from Plattsburgh.
I SEE THEIR TRUE COLORS SHINING THROUGH, graham ....
The DEMOCRATS are backing a CORPORATE LAWYER in the 23rd CD ....
And so ...
My step-son is a corporate lawyer and I expect he will run for something sooner or later...
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 04:28 PM
Will he be a REPUBLICAN, a DEMOCRAT or an independent, rla?
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 04:30 PM
A good friend took me out to eat at a local resturant last night, and while there, a group of people down the way were talking about these two brothers who apparently no longer talk to each other .....
The one brother is a right-winger, although they weren't sure if he listened to Rush Limbo or not ....
The other brother was apparently a flaming liberal ....
And so ...
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 1 2009, 05:28 PM)

Will he be a REPUBLICAN, a DEMOCRAT or an independent, rla?
He is active in the Democratic Party so that would be the most probable outcome. I expect they will re-locate if
they have children--to Pa. where her family is, Ar. or Tx...
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 05:43 PM
"House showdown narrowing - Republican suspends campaign as Conservative drains her cash, support in special election"
By IRENE JAY LIU, Capitol bureau, Albany, New York Times Union
First published in print: Sunday, November 1, 2009
ALBANY -- The unconventional fight for the North Country's 23rd Congressional District seat turned into a two-way contest Saturday when Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava unexpectedly suspended her campaign.
The six-term assemblywoman from Governeur said flagging poll numbers and inadequate campaign funds to "effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record" contributed to her decision.
Scozzafava is a moderate, labor-friendly Republican who supports abortion rights and gay marriage.
Opponents from both the right and the left have spent millions of dollars attacking her since the special election was called in September.
"It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support," she wrote in a letter to supporters.
"Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so."
A Siena Research Institute poll released Saturday found that Scozzafava had fallen to third place in the three-way race, with 20 percent of the vote.
One month ago, Scozzafava led the race with 35 percent of the vote.
The same poll found that Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman are in a statistical dead heat, with 36 percent and 35 percent of the vote, respectively.
Scozzafava's decision, made with only three days left before Election Day, surprised foes and friends alike, including local and national Republican leaders -- many of whom were not informed of her decision to withdraw before the announcement.
Scozzafava's exit radically alters the landscape of an already unpredictable special election.
One of the few competitive races in this year's election cycle, the contest to replace Republican Congressman John McHugh has drawn national attention and millions of dollars into the sprawling, 11-county district. McHugh stepped down to become President Barack Obama's secretary of the Army.
On Saturday, Scozzafava declined to endorse either of the two remaining candidates.
Her name will remain on the ballot, on the Republican and Independence Party lines.
Owens, a Plattsburgh attorney who is also running on the Working Family Party line, enjoys the greatest support in the eastern part of the district.
Hoffman, a Lake Placid resident who does not live in the district, enjoys his strongest support from the conservative Central New York counties of the 23rd District.
Owens called Scozzafava an "honorable public servant" and highlighted what he characterized as their similarities as candidates in response to her announcement.
"While we disagree on certain issues, we share a dedication to serving the best interests of Upstate New York and the Obama administration's efforts to get our economy back on track," said Owens, who will appear in Watertown with Vice President Joe Biden on Monday.
Hoffman responded by attacking Owens:
"This morning's events prove what we have said for the last week; this campaign is a horse race between me and Nancy Pelosi's handpicked candidate, Bill Owens."
With their endorsed candidate out of the race, national Republican leadership quickly embraced Hoffman, who had sought the GOP line but lost to Scozzafava.
Calling the decision to leave the race a "selfless act," Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Hoffman's campaign "will receive the financial backing of the RNC, and get-out-the-vote efforts to defeat Bill Owens."
Labor unions that had previously endorsed Scozzafava or stayed out of the race quickly threw their significant manpower and resources behind Owens.
They included the powerful teachers' union NYSUT, which at least 25,000 members in the district, the United Auto Workers CAP Region 9 and the AFL-CIO, which represents 80,000 members and and family members in the district.
It is unclear how Scozzafava's exit will affect the outcome as both campaigns seek to identify favorable votes from her supporters in the final days.
Special elections typically have low voter turnout; in hotly contested races, get-out-the-vote efforts on Election Day will often determine the victor.
Irene Jay Liu can be reached at 454-5081 or iliu@timesunion.com.
graham4anything
Nov 1 2009, 05:50 PM
the repub who is out is now backing the dem instead of the loon party
and in NEW poll, it is still a tossup
heart
Nov 1 2009, 05:56 PM
Wait though, does she endorse the Republican? Will people vote for the right winger? Of her supporters, how many are really ticked off because she had to pull out of the race due to the right wing?
Livyjr
Nov 1 2009, 06:10 PM
"Scozzafava endorses Owens"
Albany, New York Times Union
Last updated: 4:27 p.m., Sunday, November 1, 2009
Republican Dede Scozzafava today endorsed Democrat Bill Owens, her former opponent, in Tuesday's election to fill the North Country congressional seat formerly held by John McHugh.
Scozzafava suspended her campaign for the 23rd District seat Saturday, citing weak poll numbers and inadequate campaign funds.
In a statement released this afternoon, she called Owens ''an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York.''
Following Scozzafava's withdrawal Saturday, national GOP officials rushed to throw their support behind Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.
A Siena College poll released Saturday showed Hoffman and Owens tied, with Scozzofava far behind.
The 23rd District race has drawn attention nationally, and Scozzofava's moderate views, including support for abortion rights, drew the ire of more-conservative elements of the Republican Party.
heart
Nov 1 2009, 06:44 PM
So, this women did the right thing and backed the Dem! Good for her! Now, maybe she will realize needs to change her party affiliation.
graham4anything
Nov 1 2009, 11:34 PM
QUOTE(heart @ Nov 1 2009, 08:44 PM)

So, this women did the right thing and backed the Dem! Good for her! Now, maybe she will realize needs to change her party affiliation.
the republicans soon will be left with only racist and anti-semite whites.
demographically the republicans have offended every single minority and women
and one doesn't have to wonder why repugs are at 20% favorability in polls.
80% unfavorables.
Livyjr
Nov 2 2009, 06:13 AM
Demographically, the DEMOCRATS have offended HONEST Americans right on across the board with their corruption ....
And so ...
graham4anything
Nov 2 2009, 06:24 AM
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 2 2009, 08:13 AM)

Demographically, the DEMOCRATS have offended HONEST Americans right on across the board with their corruption ....
And so ...
actually they haven't
but you are a great actor, I give you the Laurence Olivier Acting award
He could read the phone book and shine
or the Patti Labelle singer award
she can sing the alphabet and do her thing
(and she did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlFqhHJczDsand if you want corrupt
Chris Christie is thy name
and why is his people resorting to anti-semetic whisper campaign against Mr. Corzine now?
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 2 2009, 07:13 AM)

Demographically, the DEMOCRATS have offended HONEST Americans right on across the board with their corruption ....
And so ...
I agree, snce there are more democrats than republicans, there are more currupt democrats than republicans...
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