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There's a Signpost Up Ahead, Your Next Stop...The Twilight Zone...




or perhaps...Götterdämmerung (Twilight of the Gods).





Hey...it's not until tomorrow...this is just the pre-game show. I just would like some predicitions and what each would mean
for the electorate, states, districts, the nation and politicans in and among same. Any takers?

It looks like a conservate backlash could occur...but that's just MHO.

Before Liberalism can be said to have been tested and found lacking, this time, let's try to make clear what Liberalism is...

The essence of Liberalism means Liberated from Traditional sources of Authority and Committed to the Common Good...

NY23 is a conservative district

that the Democrat is actually having a chance is amazing

the area itself has not seen a democrat in office since before the civil war, it is that republican/conservative

and this year is meaningless anyhow

incumbents all over are in trouble
left/right/center
has nothing to do with Obama

in NJ Corzine was down 35%, but its now neck and neck

and the liberal in NYC- Mike Bloomberg is going to win a stunning landslide 3rd term as mayor
He is a bigger liberal than the challenger

and VA, unfortunately the dem is a dud as a campaigner not ready for prime time(he and sarah palin have that in common).

That's one definition...but the modern one leans more toward a dream, a vision of Hope in general, as conceived by youth,
unknowing the fine points and mechanisms, believing that what they wish can transend into reality. I tend toward Lord Byron:

Childe Harold’s Pilgrimage, Canto iv. Stanza VI-VII
Lord Byron

VI.
Such is the refuge of our youth and age,
The first from Hope, the last from Vacancy;
And this worn feeling peoples many a page,
And, may be, that which grows beneath mine eye:
Yet there are things whose strong reality
Outshines our fairy-land; in shape and hues
More beautiful than our fantastic sky,
And the strange constellations which the Muse
O'er her wild universe is skilful to diffuse:

VII.
I saw or dreamed of such,--but let them go -
They came like truth, and disappeared like dreams;
And whatsoe'er they were--are now but so;
I could replace them if I would: still teems
My mind with many a form which aptly seems
Such as I sought for, and at moments found;
Let these too go--for waking reason deems
Such overweening phantasies unsound,
And other voices speak, and other sights surround.

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I suppose the elections tomorrow will give evidence that either
"the dream" survives, or that cold reality is the sobriety of one year after.

We are already in a conservative state, so there will not be much change here. The news here is calling this election a referendum on the Obama presidency!
I am voting and watching how it goes around the country as a whole...

the rightwing media you mean is calling it that

it is meaningless, because minoriity voters have no reason to vote in 2009 or 2010, so they won't be the force until 2012 that they were in 2008.

repubs could win all the other races, but the President race will still go to Obama in 2012 and he will win close to 500 electoral votes or more.
You can bet on it.

I am going to wait and see how it turns out.
EVERY election means something. If Obama cannot
be effective with a majority in the house and senate, how well will he do with a minority?
This election could very well influence the mid-term elections...

Some persons not well grounded in the here-and-now, dream forward and some dream backwards...
Those grounded in the here-and-now are living yesterday's dreams...

Tomorrow's elections will be interpreted by yesterday's prejudice and the future will remain unpredictable...

it matters little
as the congress on both sides do nothing

But Obama's popularity is the exact same it was the day he was inaugurated, and is a good 37 points higher than the republicans in congress.
so it don't affect him

And look at Clinton
he did better personally after he lost Congress, though nothing happened

In 2012, there are no states a republican can win and they are in civil war as it is between the moderates and conservatives
If the conservative loons win over the moderates, they will insure major loses in 2010 and 2012 because there are not enough conservative districts
if the voters come out and vote

NJ 2009 is local, and daggett may end up taking more votes from Corzine than Christie, Daggett could end up winning himself
The Governorship is the one position in NJ that republicans win for some reason

I agree that the Democratic Party will maintain cntrol in 2010 and 2012 (if the elections are held) but I don't believe the conditions of common ordinary people will be any better than they are now and will probably be worse...

I had hoped you were wrong but now think you are 100% correct
Long as the Lieberman's and the Bayh's control the Dem's
and The reupblicans want to tear it down,

and with the LBJ thread

makes me wonder if ever again someone will do what is good for the country and let political cirucmstances be damned

I had truly hoped McCain and others would have moved over

on the other hand, the NY23 situation is interesting
the thought is out there that even if the conservative independent(though he is really a repupb) wins
that district will be redistricted in 2010
the backbiting infight repubs will have lost a good woman candidate who will become a democrat
and move NY state even more to the dems side (and its a rpeublican district)

Lieberman is an Republican disguised as an Independent.
Bayh was one of Obama's top picks for V.P.

No one controls the Democrats except for corporations...

bayh's wife makes a million dollar as a health corp. lobbyist
she is just the banker and bayh the bag man
the corps control them

bayh was being used to appease Hillary

and if you read David P's book- it said he picked Biden months earlier but it was not official

I think Biden was picked because he was the only member of the power structure in the Senate who could
also pose as a friend of the, "working man." Hillary could but she couldn't get rid of Bill.

the very odd thing is
If Hillary had divorced Bill, she would have gone alot further
That would have been the ultimate repudiation of Bill and it might have even enticed me

Let us see if the "Progressive" Sages are in line with public opinion...it won't take long.

Hillary Clinton could have secured a Democratic legacy...radicals denied her. Live with your choice.

you are a joke

Hillary lost
People voted and did not want her

Obama won in a landslide

and 77% of the public wants a public option
It is the nobody middle idiot schmucks that are preventing what the public wants (Bayh, leiberman, etc.)

btw- when yolu think about races tomorrow, there is one in California You republicans keep forgetting to mention

Yes, what will be is emerging...

I may be, and you may be...let's see what New Jersey...your home says.
If it is me, so be it, Louisiana may not know Jersey, but if it is you...
how be it that you do not know your own state? We will see manyana.

it is not relevant
and it is apples to oranges

NJ has personal issues and while not as corrut as your state, has corruption on all sides

It also has power plays and games not seen by the naked eye

and it has a strong 3rd party candidate

Remember- your candidate lost in 1992 because while Perot did not want to win, he did not want Bush41 to win even worse
(unless you believe like I do Bush41 himself did not want to win and went as tagteam with Bill).

and in 2000, while Nader didn't officially cause, he indeed won enough votes in a few states to cause it

Will FATSO Christie win? He might
Will Daggett win? Ventura did
Will Christie lose it? He might

but in the summer, Christie was ahead by 35 points

so we shall see

It is meaningless though, because all the other positions are democratic that matter and will remain so.
The governorship is the one that goes back and forth.

and it doesn't have anything to do with Obama in any state
and the new people that come in are then the incumbents who later shall be voted out

but Obama will go on forever
Obama 2012
Obama 2016
Obama 2020
Obama 2024
Obama 2028
Obama 2032
Obama 2036
Obama 2040
Obama forever, Barack, Michelle, Sasha, Malia forever

and though I live here now, I am NYC

and Mike Bloomberg, the biggest liberal in all elected office, is going to win his 3rd term, to the better of NYC
and Thompson will come back another day, another good man.

whereas flameouts like Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin are soon forgotten when their 15 minutes are gone.

I would rather have Obama's 57% positive than the 77%unfavorable across the board negatives that Sarah has.

What a load of crapola.

Support the former Goldman Sachs CEO and claim
progressive populism...what a partisan load of shizen.

As an insider...how does it feel to alibi the status quo?

Bloomberg is a progressive
He came from poverty to sweat out billions

Corzine is a decent person, though he is not a great candidate, doesn't speak that well
He is alot smarter and more decent than Ross Perot

Bloomberg? What the shizen does that have to do with Jersey?

Are you a New Jerseyan or a New Yorker?

Or is an alibi more important than an election?
It seems that an election is less than an ideology. Go figure.

Perot? How many years ago does that figure?

What a faint...a fake...a misdirection...an alibi for failure.

Cheers to that!!! Give me ambiguity or give me something else!!!!!

Nice selection IH.

He's living in NJ but spent his life in NY.

How can Corzine assume the mantle of the comman man/woman.
He benefited from the Goldman Sachs bonuses...and now the Obama bonus.

How is the champion of the people the champion of the Bigest Investment Bank in America?

The hyprocrasy is rampant...and those who buy in are...shall I dare to say ....whores?

Those liberal purists....whores? How can they claim "change" while they procure political prostitution?

Sen. David Vitter had a whore...and yet, Corzine sells himself to a partisan whoredom. Which is worse?

I am a NY'er now living in NJ

will corzine win?
I would rather Codey have kept the job after McGreevey quit, but Corzine wanted to be gov instead of Senator

If Corzine gets the dems out to vote, he will win by 5
depends on how many blacks vote

but you are claiming something he isn't

one can be rich and still be for the people, money is not what decides

Corzine is a better person than John Edwards

final NJ polls
Public Policy Polling: Christie 47%, Corzine 41%, Daggett 11%
SurveyUSA: Christie 45%, Corzine 42%, Daggett 10%
Quinnipiac: Christie 42%, Corzine 40%, Daggett 12%

Monmouth: Corzine 43%, Christie 41%, Daggett 8%
Fairleigh Dickenson: Corzine 43%, Christie 41%, Daggett 8%
Democracy Corps: Corzine 41%, Christie 37%, Daggett 15%

The final Pollster.com average shows Corzine 42%, Christie 42%, Daggett 10.1%.

If Corzine wins...you are the boss.

But, if it's Christie...bend over.

24 hours. I'll take Christie at 2/1. R U in?

I'm good for $100. Take $50 against $100.

But you have to claim now. R U in?

Let's do it for CGCS's donations-as per Michael's request that CGCS needs $1500 approx. for the next year, and so far are a bunch of hundred short

i'll add $50 to what I am going to send if I lose, how about that
Corzine wins, you send in $100 over anything else you might

Anyone else wanna do it for CGCS?
(This references the thread Michael (administrator) wrote
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/for...p;#entry1030449

I've already done $20...if Corzine wins I'll do another $80.
And, you agree to do $100 if he loses? Tell me know.

I want to call a bitch if you default, Call it now.

I wouldn't compare Deeds to Palin, he is a good man. But he has proved to be a dud, while his Republican opponent has been smart enough to run a centrist campaign. Deeds is a centrist Democrat, but he has come off as wishy-washy and has not capitalized on his strengths. Unfortunately he is likely to take down the rest of the ticket with him and a few seats in the legislature.

If the Dems stumble they stumble. A setback for them and Obama, but not quite fatal yet. It would be pretty extraordinary if he had no setbacks at all, wouldn't it be? That might really mean he was The One!

People here think about Obama when they curse the congested roads here?

Look, I just acknowledged that his fortunes will be affected by these elections, somewhat. But a referendum on his Presidency? Maybe in Political World...

Why would it? Will people even remember these elections in three months?

I think someone has been indulging just a tad tonight! Hope you have been enjoying it. Celebrating All Saints Day, or El Dia de los Muertes?

I am a proud Massachusetts transplanted Virginian myself, a fact which gives me no identity problem whatsoever!

Maybe Corzine is a decent, empathetic guy, whose wealth didn't make him forget the rest of us common folk? Such people do exist among even the richest, even if cynics have trouble believing it.

I said over what you send/were going to send
you send in 100 (so technically it should be 120 then)

you said my add on was 50

you said 2 to 1 and you were doing 100 that makes mine 50

btw-Christie is already whining about Corzine having stolen the election, and the day isn't here yet

One man's "conservative backlash" is another one's swing back of the pendulum. It's all in the way you interpret the swing.




You guys have got to learn to be more consistent with your rhetoric. To Graham, I am evil incarnate because I term myself "progressive."

While, apparently, to Indianhead, I am "radical" because I favored Obama over Clinton.

You're both emotionally inflamed arguers.

Here - knock yourselves out:

WTF is your bet?

Come on NJ ...be clear.

Put up or shut up.

you said 100/50
2 to 1

so I will add 50 to what I was going to send in (which is more anyhow than you already did)

You didn't understand what he said?

Yup, I got it...it's cool...it was the bourbon I guess...oops.

So...

from: US News

Campaign News


Today's Elections Seen As Test For Obama

Despite admonitions to the contrary from the White House, a broad swathe of analysts and reporters are portraying today's elections as a referendum on the first nine-and-half months of the Obama Administration, particularly the New Jersey gubernatorial contest. USA Today reports that today's elections "loom as the first significant electoral test of the coalition that swept President Obama and congressional Democrats to victory one year ago. ... The White House downplayed the national significance of the off-year elections, but Republicans, including GOP Chairman Michael Steele, portrayed them as referendums on Obama's presidency." Dana Milbank, in his Washington Sketch column for the Washington Post, writes, "Obama aides have been so determined to protect their boss from referendum fever that they began leaking accusations a couple of weeks ago that Creigh Deeds, the Democratic gubernatorial candidate in Virginia, was in bad shape because he had ignored the White House's advice."

The AP notes Obama campaigned for Corzine five times, and "a Christie victory would sting the President in a state he carried by 15 percentage points a year ago." Fox News' Special Report showed University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato saying, "If Corzine loses, that of course is a major problem for the White House, because they picked the New Jersey governor's race as the one that President Obama can affect, and that's because New Jersey is so heavily...Democratic." On MSNBC's The Ed Show, NBC's chief White House correspondent Chuck Todd predicted that if Corzine loses it will "scare the living daylights out of Democratic incumbents in Congress " which could make Obama's attempts to rally Hill Democrats behind his initiatives "harder."

Three Polls Show Corzine Up, One Shows Christie Up

Polls continue to paint a mixed picture of the New Jersey gubernatorial contest. A Monmouth University poll 722 likely New Jersey voters taken October 31 to November 1 shows Gov. Jon Corzine (D) leading challenger Chris Christie ® 43%-41% with independent Chris Daggett at 8%. A Fairleigh Dickinson University poll of 1119 likely New Jersey voters taken October 22 to November 1 shows Corzine leading Christie 43%-41% with Daggett at 8%. A Democracy Corps (D) poll 606 likely New Jersey voters taken October 29 to November 1 shows Corzine leading Christie 41%-37% with Daggett at 15%. In contrast, a SurveyUSA automated poll of 582 likely New Jersey voters taken October 30 to November 1 for WABC-TV NYC shows Christie leading Corzine 45%-42%.

Biden Makes Last Minute Plea In NY23

The Watertown Daily Times reports that yesterday in Watertown, New York, Vice President Biden campaigned for Bill Owens (D) in the NY23 Congressional District special election, saying Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman was "handpicked" by Rush Limbaugh and shared the talk show hosts' views. The New York Times adds Biden "threw the heft of the White House behind" Owens, making "a plea for the votes of moderate Republicans who have become disillusioned with their party's backing of" the "deeply conservative" Hoffman. The Times notes, however, that a "boisterous" rally for Hoffman later in the day, headlined by Fred Thompson, "drew a significantly larger crowd" than the Biden event. McClatchy, meanwhile, reports that the White House's involvement was not limited to Biden's appearance – as "voters received recorded phone calls from President Barack Obama on behalf of Owens," while Rudy Giuliani recorded a message on behalf of Holffman.

GOP Expected To Turn Virginia Red Again

The Richmond Times-Dispatch reports that in Virginia, the polls "show double-digit leads for Republicans in the three statewide offices, pointing to a GOP sweep in a state that has elected two Democratic governors in a row." The Times-Dispatch adds that Creigh Deeds (D) "and the Democrats have been fighting the headwinds of a sour economy and anxiety over President Barack Obama's health-care proposals," while Bob McDonnell ® and Republicans "benefited from a unified party hungry for a victory and from a cash advantage to spend on advertising in the homestretch." On ABC World News, George Stephanopoulos said that while McDonnell has run a "much better campaign" than Deeds, "some people will look at this and still take away the idea that the state that the President won last year could not elect a Democrat governor this year." Meanwhile, a SurveyUSA automated poll of 574 likely Virginia voters taken October 30 to November 1 for a group of regional TV stations shows McDonnell leading Deeds 58%-40%.

Remember indianhead-

NY23 IS A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT since the civil war

the dem shouldn't even be close

You find articles totally distorted

and the message for congress is incumbents
not Obama

and why is chris fatso christie already whining about corzine stealing it, 24 hours before the results are in?
sounds like christie is a sore loser already
fat boy wants his way or no way

btw indianhead
corzine was in the marine corps.
something against someone who served?

I think you know the answer to that. Thanks for the info...I didn't know it.
If you see him, thank him for his service for me.

Meanwhile, it's not just Christie that is suspicious about the 180,000 absentee ballot requests:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...emEditorialPage

OPINION: JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL NOVEMBER 2, 2009, 1:14 P.M. ET

Chris Christie's Next Case: Who Stole My Election?
Absentee voter fraud may play a significant role in New Jersey's gubernatorial election.

By JOHN FUND

The race for governor in New Jersey is so close in final polls that it may well end up in a recount -- the 1981 election did and was decided by less than 1,800 votes. If there is a recount, you can bet disputes about absentee ballots will loom large. Moreover, if serious allegations of fraud emerge, you can also expect less-than-vigorous investigation by the Obama Justice Department -- which showed just how seriously it takes such allegations when it walked away from an open-and-shut voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia earlier this year.

Plenty of reasons exist for suspecting absentee fraud may play a significant role in tomorrow's Garden State contests. Groups associated with Acorn in neighboring Pennsylvania and New York appear to have moved into the state. An independent candidate for mayor in Camden has already leveled charges that voter fraud is occurring in his city. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party in New Jersey is taking advantage of a new loosely written vote-by-mail law to pressure county clerks not to vigorously use signature checks to evaluate the authenticity of absentee ballots, the only verification procedure allowed.

The state has received a flood of 180,000 absentee ballot requests. On some 3,000 forms the signature doesn't match the one on file with county clerks. Yet citing concerns that voters would be disenfranchised, Democratic Party lawyer Paul Josephson wrote New Jersey's secretary of state asking her "to instruct County Clerks not to deny applications on the basis of signature comparison alone." Mr. Josephson maintained that county clerks "may be overworked and are likely not trained in handwriting analysis" and insisted that voters with suspect applications should be allowed to cast provisional ballots. Those ballots, of course, would then provide a pool of votes that would be subject to litigation in any recount, with the occupant of New Jersey's highest office determined by Florida 2000-style scrutiny of ballot applications.
...

Ohhhh boy...I hope whomever wins - wins by several thousand election-day ballots. Another Florida (circa 2000) I don't want.

see, he is whining already

NJ they are not absentee...ANYONE can vote early (and often)

Two members of my family voted early this time because today was busy

I always vote the correct day, creature of habit

I voted this morning.
Proudly
for Jon Corzine and straight democratic party down

Are there better candidates in history of the world than Jon Corzine?
Sure.
But he is better for NJ than Chris Christie, the tool of the Bush's

who the hell knows what the result will be

Keep in mind one year, the great Bill Bradley almost lost to an unknown, because of the tax issue, and people felt bill was too confident
He won by 1% though
In the end, a win is a win