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G.O.P. Counters With a Health Plan of Its Own

By ROBERT PEAR and DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: November 3, 2009
WASHINGTON — House Republicans have come up with an answer to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, drafting an alternative health care bill that would reward states for reducing the number of uninsured, limit damages in medical malpractice lawsuits and allow small businesses to band together and buy insurance exempt from most state regulation.

In its opening section, the Republican bill, which has no chance of passing, promises to lower health care costs and expand insurance coverage “without raising taxes, cutting Medicare benefits for seniors, adding to the national deficit, intervening in the doctor-patient relationship or instituting a government takeover of health care.”

The bill defines the differences between Republicans and Democrats, who intend to take up their bill on the House floor this week, after resolving intramural disputes over abortion and immigration.

The Republican bill differs from the Democratic measure in that it would not require people to obtain insurance or require employers to offer it. It is almost surely cheaper than the House Democrats’ bill because, unlike that proposal, it would not expand Medicaid or offer federal subsidies to low- and middle-income people to help them buy insurance. Nor would the Republican bill impose new taxes.

The House Republican bill would not explicitly prohibit insurers from denying coverage to people because of pre-existing medical conditions, even though many Republicans have said they agree with Democrats that the federal government should outlaw such denials.

House Republicans completed work on their measure as Senate Democratic leaders acknowledged that Senate floor debate on their bill was likely to slip to December, making it virtually impossible for Congress to achieve President Obama’s goal of enacting major health legislation this year.

If Congress is still wrangling over the legislation next spring, many of the 2010 midterm elections could turn into referendums on Mr. Obama’s health policies.

Pressed about the timetable, the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, declined to predict when Congress might complete a bill.

“We’re not going to be bound by any timelines,” Mr. Reid said at a news conference. “We need to do the best job we can for the American people.” He said that the bill would be posted on the Internet and that lawmakers would have ample time to study it.

Senate Democratic aides said it was still possible, but increasingly unlikely, that Congress would send a bill to Mr. Obama by Christmas.

The House Republican leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, said his bill would “lower costs and expand access at a price our nation can afford.”

In a few ways, the House Republican bill resembles the one headed for the House floor. It would allow young adults to stay on their parents’ health plans at least through age 24, compared with 26 under the Democrats’ bill.

House Republicans, like the Democrats, would prohibit insurers from imposing annual or lifetime limits on spending for covered benefits. And they would prohibit insurers from canceling or rescinding coverage after a person became sick unless the person had intentionally concealed “material facts” about a medical condition.

Democrats, who have been hearing unofficial accounts of the Republican bill, said it was too little too late.

Representative Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, said the Republican bill would perpetuate the status quo for people with pre-existing conditions. And for millions of people who would still be unable to afford insurance, he said, the Republican message was, “Sorry, you’re out of luck.”

Reid H. Cherlin, a White House spokesman, said the House Republican bill “does nothing to provide more stability and security for people with insurance.”

The bill would offer $50 billion in federal “incentive payments” over the next 10 years to states that reduce the cost of health insurance or the proportion of their residents who are uninsured.

The bill would also make it easier for insurers to sell insurance across state lines. Policies would be subject to laws in a company’s home state, but would be exempt from many of the consumer protection laws, rating rules and benefit mandates in other states where the company sold coverage.

Republicans would also allow small businesses to pool their insurance buying power through “association health plans,” sponsored by trade and professional associations and chambers of commerce. These plans would have “sole discretion” over what services to cover.

Consumer groups, state officials and Blue Cross and Blue Shield executives have historically opposed such association health plans, saying they could engage in risky practices free from state regulation.

The House Republican bill would offer $15 billion to states to establish high-risk pools, for people who could not otherwise obtain coverage, and reinsurance programs, under which states act as a backstop to private insurers. Under a reinsurance program, a state pays a large share of the cost if claims — for an individual or a group — exceed some threshold.

The House Republican whip, Eric Cantor of Virginia, said high-risk pools and reinsurance programs would “guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable care.” Health policy experts say insurers can lower premiums if state reinsurance programs protect them against the risk of catastrophic costs.

In addition, the House Republican bill would impose new restrictions on consumer lawsuits against doctors, hospitals and makers of drugs and medical devices. In general, such lawsuits would have to be filed within three years after an injury became evident.

The bill would set a $250,000 limit on noneconomic damages, for physical and emotional pain and suffering. It would establish new hurdles for consumers to obtain punitive damages and would limit contingency fees for plaintiffs’ lawyers.
The bare minimum of any health care reform would be to "prohibit insurers from denying coverage to people because of pre-existing medical conditions" as well as to prohibit them from dropping coverage for their medical condition even if they have been paying for years.

The things here are just the same crap that they've been trying to pass since Reagan, and putting them together and calling them a new plan.
Not only that, the idea is to protect the consumers who are the voters and tax payers. What this does is mostly protect the industry. Granted, I can't say the Democratic plan is much better, but if this is all they can come up with, with all their griping, I just think that this is a prime example why I can't seem to morally vote for most Republicans.
Livyjr
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 4 2009, 11:37 AM) *
The bare minimum of any health care reform would be to "prohibit insurers from denying coverage to people because of pre-existing medical conditions" as well as to prohibit them from dropping coverage for their medical condition even if they have been paying for years.

HOW, xyzse, do you end up equating "HEALTHCARE" with insurance?

Aren't you conflating there?

Do you think that insurance is what makes people healthy?

Isn't not being sick in the first place the real key to being healthy?

I'm really curious in how you see this issue ....

To me, health care is actually taking care of your health ....

I fail to see any relationship at all between "CARE FOR HEALTH" and the insurance companies ....

Just as I fail to see any relationship whatsoever between my being healthy, which I am because I take care of my health every day through diet and exercise, and the DEMOCRAT party, which plays no role whatsoever in my being healthy ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 4 2009, 11:37 AM) *
The bare minimum of any health care reform would be to "prohibit insurers from denying coverage to people because of pre-existing medical conditions" ....

And what is that going to accomplish?
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM) *
"Reid indicates timetable for health care may slip - Senate leader indicates timetable for completing health care may slip to next year"

By DAVID ESPO, Associated Press

Last updated: 6:25 p.m., Tuesday, November 3, 2009

WASHINGTON -- In a blow to the White House, the Senate's top Democrat signaled Tuesday that Congress may fail to meet a year-end deadline for passing health care legislation, leaving the measure's fate to the uncertainties of the 2010 election season.

Across the Capitol, House Republicans readied an alternative bill that bore little similarity to the Democratic blueprint.

Unlike in the Democratic bills, the Republican draft would permit insurers to continue denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.


They also would be permitted to charge higher premiums for individuals who fail to enroll in a "standards-based wellness program."

What do you think of this part of the REPUBLICAN plan, xyzse?

They also would be permitted to charge higher premiums for individuals who fail to enroll in a "standards-based wellness program."
graham4anything
the republican plan

you die, goodbye

its a stooopid plan

there is NO change at all from the present

they should arrest the republican leaders for treason
Livyjr
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 5 2009, 02:18 PM) *
They also would be permitted to charge higher premiums for individuals who fail to enroll in a "standards-based wellness program."

I was actually thinking of you, graham, when I came across this aspect of the REPUBLICAN plan ....

According to the REPUBLICAN plan, graham, if you didn't get yourself checked in to a FAT FARM BOOT-CAMP, they could jack your rates up to $50 GRAND per year instead of the $30 GRAND you pay now ....

You would be considered a COST CENTER, graham, if you didn't check yourself into the FAT FARM ....

Kind of like an old car needing a lot of extra maintenance ....

And so ...
graham4anything
how will chris christie get any?
Livyjr
He'll have to be at the FAT FARM, too, graham ...

Or maybe he'll be paying $100 GRAND a year for his bulk ....

NO!

Wait ....

That's right ....

He is a politician, so he'll get his for free, graham ....

And they will jack up your rates to pay for him .....

By the pound ....

And so ....
xyzse
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 5 2009, 04:12 PM) *
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 4 2009, 11:37 AM) *
The bare minimum of any health care reform would be to "prohibit insurers from denying coverage to people because of pre-existing medical conditions" ....
And what is that going to accomplish?
As a bare minimum? It would allow those who had their insurance lapse to get themselves covered once more.

My bare minimum really is to not be dropped by insurance companies at all.

See insurance companies and how they are structured, I can't seem to agree with.

Well, what I do see if they were allowed to create a non-profit organization or some sort of organization dealing with suplementary or primary insurance with the following structure.

Namely:
1 - A client will pay in a monthly from work as a deductible or regular payment and place it in a pool.
2 - Only 10-20% of those can be used for investments (must check actuaries to figure out a better percentage but should not go beyond 30)
2 - They could not deny the client their money as they pay in to it...
Actually, just format it similar to a 401K account where consumers can pay in to it, use it like insurance and consider it as borrowing. Keep paying in to it, and if they decide to move from one company to another, to allow them to roll over the funds that are left in their account.

Such a thing would probably work best as a supplementary insurance.
Either way, I just don't want insurance companies being able to drop someone suddenly when they need it the most. It is immoral.
Livyjr
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 9 2009, 01:31 PM) *
Well, what I do see if they were allowed to create a non-profit organization or some sort of organization dealing with suplementary or primary insurance with the following structure.

Are you aware that in the United States when I was young, that is exactly the way it was?

And who allowed it to change to FOR PROFIT was the same government structure that is now whining and complaining about the ill taste of the fruit of the plant that came from the very seed it planted ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 9 2009, 01:31 PM) *
It is immoral.

Do you actually mistake the United States of America for a moral place?

xyzse
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 5 2009, 04:18 PM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM) *
"Reid indicates timetable for health care may slip - Senate leader indicates timetable for completing health care may slip to next year"

By DAVID ESPO, Associated Press

Last updated: 6:25 p.m., Tuesday, November 3, 2009

WASHINGTON -- In a blow to the White House, the Senate's top Democrat signaled Tuesday that Congress may fail to meet a year-end deadline for passing health care legislation, leaving the measure's fate to the uncertainties of the 2010 election season.

Across the Capitol, House Republicans readied an alternative bill that bore little similarity to the Democratic blueprint.

Unlike in the Democratic bills, the Republican draft would permit insurers to continue denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions.


They also would be permitted to charge higher premiums for individuals who fail to enroll in a "standards-based wellness program."

What do you think of this part of the REPUBLICAN plan, xyzse?

They also would be permitted to charge higher premiums for individuals who fail to enroll in a "standards-based wellness program."
I think they are being greedy inhuman bastards that should feel helplessness or experience it firsthand to find back their moral compass. I still think that it builds character to strive regardless the hardship, but I am not one to deny leveling the playing field or making it easier for everyone else to catch up or fair play.
cutecat
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 5 2009, 04:12 PM) *
He'll have to be at the FAT FARM, too, graham ...

Or maybe he'll be paying $100 GRAND a year for his bulk ....

NO!

Wait ....

That's right ....

He is a politician, so he'll get his for free, graham ....

And they will jack up your rates to pay for him .....

By the pound ....

And so ....



Regardless of pro or cons this (fat) is degrading and points to a big issue that insurance companies as big business join in culpability with advertisers and food corporations. Restaurants and portion sizes and ( my personal blame game goes out to the sugar industry( sorry cane field workers) and the creator of those creamy center filled with trans(useless) fat, companies (sorry Dolly).
Corporate American creates addicted Americans to money(yes) fats,caffeine,nicotine and sugars. Then their is the other side of the coin the fashion and weight loss industries that after we become fat they won't make clothes or advertise on models representing their products who promote ill health in weight loss and golly then they want to exclude us fatties from the Insurance industry and say it is all our individual fault for eating the foods and living the lifestyles they have promoted for the last 50 to 70 years.
Livyjr
QUOTE(cutecat @ Nov 9 2009, 02:28 PM) *
.... and say it is all our individual fault for eating the foods and living the lifestyles they have promoted for the last 50 to 70 years.

cutecat ....

I was wounded in the head in Viet Nam forty years ago ....

I am alive today because I have kept myself alive all that time ....

The medical INDUSTRY has done nothing for me along the way in that endeavor .....

My life is my life, not theirs ....

And one of the very first things that I got under control to maintain my health was MY diet ....

I did not ask anyone's permission to alter my diet, nor did I seek anyone's advice as to whether I should eat foods that are good for me, while cutting out the junk ....

It is a matter of will power and desire for quality of life ....

And so ....

Livyjr
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 9 2009, 02:09 PM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 5 2009, 04:18 PM) *

What do you think of this part of the REPUBLICAN plan, xyzse?

They also would be permitted to charge higher premiums for individuals who fail to enroll in a "standards-based wellness program."

I think they are being greedy inhuman bastards that should feel helplessness or experience it firsthand to find back their moral compass.

I still think that it builds character to strive regardless the hardship, but I am not one to deny leveling the playing field or making it easier for everyone else to catch up or fair play.



Well, xyzse ....

I certainly appreciate your passion here, and I won't argue that first point with you .....

But I was curious about how you saw this particular requirement?

Do you think the government of this country should be forcing people into programs like "standards-based wellness"?

That is not a DEMOCRAT v. REPUBLICAN question ...

It is a question about the relationship between the government and the governed ....

And so ...
rla
Write God a letter through the Letter to the Editor and complain about human characteristics being normally distributed in the population...
xyzse
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 9 2009, 03:42 PM) *
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 9 2009, 01:31 PM) *
Well, what I do see if they were allowed to create a non-profit organization or some sort of organization dealing with suplementary or primary insurance with the following structure.

Are you aware that in the United States when I was young, that is exactly the way it was?

And who allowed it to change to FOR PROFIT was the same government structure that is now whining and complaining about the ill taste of the fruit of the plant that came from the very seed it planted ....

And so ...
Well I can only agree.
Though yes I know that America is not a moral place, it does not mean we can't strive for it any way.
Livyjr
Who should do that, rla?

Certainly not me ....

If I have something to say to him, I just say it ....

I don't need no letters to the editor to get my points across ....

So who were you referring to?

Just curious, of course ....

And so ...

Livyjr
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 9 2009, 02:56 PM) *
Though yes I know that America is not a moral place, it does not mean we can't strive for it any way.

We as individuals should always strive for morality and compassion and benevolence, xyzse, regardless of what the world around us might or might not be doing ...

And so ...
xyzse
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 9 2009, 04:47 PM) *
Well, xyzse ....
I certainly appreciate your passion here, and I won't argue that first point with you .....
But I was curious about how you saw this particular requirement?
Do you think the government of this country should be forcing people into programs like "standards-based wellness"?
That is not a DEMOCRAT v. REPUBLICAN question ...
It is a question about the relationship between the government and the governed ....
And so ...
You mean forcing people to enroll on programs that would force them to slim down?
Well, that though I tend to agree that people need to exercise and eat better, such a thing will have to be done on their own accord.
They could create incentives but mandating or forcing such a thing strikes me as wrong as well.

In truth, my cholesterol is good, my weight and BMI are good, though the only thing I have is stress related high blood pressure and a very bad insomniac.

I can understand incentives but thus far, the Republican bill just makes it even harder for the consumers than before.
cutecat
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 9 2009, 03:41 PM) *
QUOTE(cutecat @ Nov 9 2009, 02:28 PM) *
.... and say it is all our individual fault for eating the foods and living the lifestyles they have promoted for the last 50 to 70 years.

cutecat ....

I was wounded in the head in Viet Nam forty years ago ....

I am alive today because I have kept myself alive all that time ....

The medical INDUSTRY has done nothing for me along the way in that endeavor .....

My life is my life, not theirs ....

And one of the very first things that I got under control to maintain my health was MY diet ....

I did not ask anyone's permission to alter my diet, nor did I seek anyone's advice as to whether I should eat foods that are good for me, while cutting out the junk ....

It is a matter of will power and desire for quality of life ....

And so ....


Putting Fat into a medical conversation as an issue reinforces opinions procreated outside personal choice.
I applaud you but I was not blaming others; I was blaming contributors to the problem in the goal of making PROFI$$
I would also like to say that what is Fat changes every generation.
My mother wanted prom queens so all the girls in the family were identified as overweight although we were all active, healthy and of proper weight. We all look back at our pictures of childhood and declare we were not fat then.
My issues started due to childhood disease which caused severe weight loss, medication for the illness caused tiredness and weight gain. Growing up and going through puberty young woman's size issues come from ever changing bodies(I can not speak for men as I am not..)
I was very thin thinking I was fat all the way to my second child when heart failure and pregnancy went hand in hand. Never lost the weight and now aging find I am able to loose 2 pounds a year but never gaining...So I am still considered obese........ Similar to your story I did not choose to be over weight, I have always watched my diet and ate healthy but I am fat.

And for that smile at the end news of the day; "Kraft Makes a Hostile Takeover Bid for Cadbury".
Please don't put chocolate in my cheese or cheese in my chocolate!
Livyjr
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 9 2009, 03:38 PM) *
You mean forcing people to enroll on programs that would force them to slim down?

Well, that though I tend to agree that people need to exercise and eat better, such a thing will have to be done on their own accord.

They could create incentives but mandating or forcing such a thing strikes me as wrong as well.

I agree with your perspective there in all of your three sentences ...

I was curious as to how you would see it ....

I think it is equally wrong to FORCE me to have to pay for insurance to get access to western medicine when I have no belief in western medicine ....

I don't take pills and do not feel the U.S. government should be forcing me into these kinds of programs to subsidize people who are pill-addicted, which is a big part of what this DEMOCRAT plan is all about ....

And I am not for the REPUBLICAN plan, either ....

If the government wants us to have better health, then the very first thing they should be doing is to enforce the environmental laws that are supposed to provide us with a healthful environment ....

It is OBSCENE for them to make us sick by providing us with an unhealthy environment, and then, to force us to have to buy insurance to pay for that sickness ....

And so ...
graham4anything
QUOTE(cutecat @ Nov 9 2009, 04:39 PM) *
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 9 2009, 03:41 PM) *
QUOTE(cutecat @ Nov 9 2009, 02:28 PM) *
.... and say it is all our individual fault for eating the foods and living the lifestyles they have promoted for the last 50 to 70 years.

cutecat ....

I was wounded in the head in Viet Nam forty years ago ....

I am alive today because I have kept myself alive all that time ....

The medical INDUSTRY has done nothing for me along the way in that endeavor .....

My life is my life, not theirs ....

And one of the very first things that I got under control to maintain my health was MY diet ....

I did not ask anyone's permission to alter my diet, nor did I seek anyone's advice as to whether I should eat foods that are good for me, while cutting out the junk ....

It is a matter of will power and desire for quality of life ....

And so ....


Putting Fat into a medical conversation as an issue reinforces opinions procreated outside personal choice.
I applaud you but I was not blaming others; I was blaming contributors to the problem in the goal of making PROFI$$
I would also like to say that what is Fat changes every generation.
My mother wanted prom queens so all the girls in the family were identified as overweight although we were all active, healthy and of proper weight. We all look back at our pictures of childhood and declare we were not fat then.
My issues started due to childhood disease which caused severe weight loss, medication for the illness caused tiredness and weight gain. Growing up and going through puberty young woman's size issues come from ever changing bodies(I can not speak for men as I am not..)
I was very thin thinking I was fat all the way to my second child when heart failure and pregnancy went hand in hand. Never lost the weight and now aging find I am able to loose 2 pounds a year but never gaining...So I am still considered obese........ Similar to your story I did not choose to be over weight, I have always watched my diet and ate healthy but I am fat.

And for that smile at the end news of the day; "Kraft Makes a Hostile Takeover Bid for Cadbury".
Please don't put chocolate in my cheese or cheese in my chocolate!



a chocolate cheese fondue all in one from Kraftbury 2010
Livyjr
QUOTE(cutecat @ Nov 9 2009, 03:39 PM) *
So I am still considered obese........

By whom, cutecat?

And why do their opinions matter?

I know people with a body shape who would be considered fat, and yet, they are active and healthy ....

I believe that it is as much a state of mind as anything, how you feel about yourself, regardless of the opinions of others ....

And so ....



bigtom
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 9 2009, 05:17 PM) *
QUOTE(cutecat @ Nov 9 2009, 03:39 PM) *
So I am still considered obese........

By whom, cutecat?

And why do their opinions matter?

I know people with a body shape who would be considered fat, and yet, they are active and healthy ....

I believe that it is as much a state of mind as anything, how you feel about yourself, regardless of the opinions of others ....

And so ....



Round is a shape...Therefore I am in shape!
Livyjr
I eat chocolate every day ....

Have done so for years and years now ....

I think it is a healthy part of my diet ....

I just don't eat a ton of it at one sitting .....

It is called moderation ....

And so ...
Livyjr
QUOTE(bigtom @ Nov 9 2009, 04:22 PM) *
Round is a shape...

Therefore I am in shape!

As I said, bigtom ....

State of mind ....

And so ...
Livyjr
"Area's representatives split on health reform bill - Tonko supported health care reform package while fellow Democrat Murphy voted no"

By SCOTT WALDMAN, Staff writer, Albany, New York Times Union

First published in print: Monday, November 9, 2009

The Capital Region's members of the House of Representatives voted on opposite sides of the health care issue after months of heated rhetoric finally led to a floor vote Saturday night.

The Democrat-controlled House narrowly passed the Affordable Health Care for America Act, 220-215.

U.S. Rep. Paul D. Tonko, D-Amsterdam, was one of 219 Democrats and one Republican to support the plan.

U.S. Rep. Scott Murphy, D-Glens Falls, was among 39 Democrats who voted with the Republicans because he said the plan would put affordable health care out of reach of many small businesses.

Murphy, driving back to the region Sunday after the grueling 14-hour day in Washington hammering out the final details of the bill, said the plan does not restrain "monopolistic" private insurers and puts health care coverage out of reach for small businesses.

He said his office received 1,000 calls from constituents Saturday alone and that he voted against the legislation because it would place too many burdens on local families and businesses.


"It didn't do nearly enough to take out waste and inefficiency and control costs," Murphy said.

Tonko said Sunday that he voted for the plan because it will provide insurance for 22,000 people in his district and eliminate a Medicare loophole that has 7,300 seniors paying out of pocket for prescription drug costs.

"To me, health care reform is about helping people, not politics," he said in a prepared statement.

"It's about giving everyone access to affordable, quality health care."

"With this legislation, we bring quality health care within reach of millions of Americans and enhance the care that those with insurance and Medicare already receive."

The 1,990-page, $1.2 trillion legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it.

Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees.

Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage because of medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history.

The industry also would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price-fixing and market allocation.

At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace in which consumers could shop for coverage.

In the bill's most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that premiums for it would be more expensive than for policies sold by private companies.

To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade.

It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income more than $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.

Saturday's vote will likely only intensify the debate between the bill's supporters and detractors as it moves to the Senate.

In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from the two political parties joined forces to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups.

The National Organization of Women called on lawmakers to vote against the plan because it "throws women under the bus," said Marcia Pappas, president of NOW-NY State.

"It will block women from getting insurance for legal medical procedures with premiums paid in their own personal funds," Pappas said.

Citizen Action of New York already is planning rallies to convince Murphy he should approve the revised version when both chambers negotiate and approve a final bill, said Bob Cohen, the group's policy director.

He praised Tonko, but said Murphy had been "misdirected" from the promises of health care reform he made on the campaign trail.

"We think the message he's sending to voters is that health care is not the priority he said it was when he asked to be our member of Congress," Cohen said.

Republican lawmakers have vowed to do all they can to stop the Democratic plan, which they contend will cost jobs, raise insurance rates and lead to huge tax increases.

GOP Assemblyman Jim Tedisco, who lost to Murphy in the special election in April, said Sunday that more Democrats and Republicans would have voted for the bill if it truly was going to lead to health care reform.

He blasted Murphy for reversing himself after promising voters he would support a public option.

But Murphy said the bill, as written, would not benefit his constituents.

He said he spent Saturday weighing the vote with his staff, but was particularly concerned about a last-minute provision that would add $50 billion in taxes on paper mills and medical devices manufacturers, two of the largest private employers in his district.

He said he is still committed to health care reform and will work for better provisions in the bill as negotiations continue.

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

Scott Waldman can be reached at 454-5080 or by e-mail at swaldman@timesunion.com.
Arneoker
QUOTE(Livyjr @ Nov 9 2009, 03:43 PM) *
QUOTE(xyzse @ Nov 9 2009, 01:31 PM) *
It is immoral.

Do you actually mistake the United States of America for a moral place?

I for one think it nice to push for making America a moral place, but I realize others have the right to disagree...
Livyjr
QUOTE(Arneoker @ Nov 11 2009, 05:14 AM) *
I for one think it nice to push for making America a moral place, but I realize others have the right to disagree...

And I have no disagreements with any of that, Arneoker ....

And so ...
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